Iran is well established as a world sponsor of jihad terror, with its proxies operating globally. With Trump’s exit from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action and subsequent imposition of tough sanctions, Iran’s economy has plummeted, and its leaders are growing increasingly desperate. According to the Investigative Project:
The radical Shi’ite regime has already provided the world with a sample of its ability to order attacks that destabilize the Middle East. Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen recently launched explosive drones and cruise missiles, targeting Saudi Arabian oil installations and airports. An Iranian-backed Shi’ite militia in Iraq, Katai’b Hizballah, is suspected of firing rockets at U.S. interests, and the Islamic Republican Guards Corps (IRGC) launched mine attacks on civilian oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz and the Gulf of Oman.
Add to that Iran’s own admission that it has exceeded limits on its enriched-uranium stockpile, plus assertions by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Iran is stockpiling nuclear weapons. The region, and beyond, is facing an escalating threat from the jihadist state of Iran, whose leaders also ascribe to an apocalyptic worldview that could lead them to unleash nuclear weapons.
Meanwhile, as Breitbart has reported:
The U.S. has requested naval cooperation from Germany in the Strait of Hormuz as tensions with Iran escalate, but the political leaders of the European nation have refused to assist their NATO allies.
This is despite the fact that “Germany’s allies, including the U.S. and the UK, have been attacked in the Persian Gulf by Iran in recent months.” The free world needs to unite against the Iranian regime. Instead, Germany and other reluctant allies are essentially giving a green light to the expansionist regime to escalate.
Germany’s Social Democrat foreign policy spokesman Nils Schmid has announced that “participation is out of the question,” adding: “We could suddenly find ourselves on the side of the Americans in a war with Iran. European nations should be very careful to keep a distance from the military mission of the Americans.” Blaming the bully’s target so as to not upset the bully is nothing new: it is the tactic of cowards and parasites who enable the bully in the hope that the bully will somehow be defeated eventually without their involvement.
Trump’s response to Iran does not indicate that he is eager for war with Iran, as was demonstrated when Trump suddenly pulled back on a military strike after after Iran shot down a US Navy drone with a missile. His approach is to watch, wait and see how things unfold.
In contrast, the behavior of German authorities tells Iran that Westerners are too afraid of a war, therefore do as you wish. In the same manner, Islamic supremacists allied with the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) have frightened Western leaders into submission. Those leaders send the message to MB operatives that they can do as they wish and say as they wish, because the leaders are too afraid of being called “racists” and “Islamophobes.” Westerners have adopted a losing strategy of appeasement in the face of the rapidly advancing global jihad war against infidels.
The German government is counting on “diplomatic means to ‘de-escalate tensions.'” Yet these are the same means that have taken them nowhere. As Iran tests the waters with Western governments, it is calculating its next move accordingly. Diplomacy is not and has never been anything more than a deceptive strategy for the Iranian mullahs, to buy them time as they continue working to subvert the House of War.
Despite Germany’s explanations of why it has chosen to opt out, this is telling:
U.S. Ambassador Richard Grenell has criticised Germany’s lack of participation in foreign NATO operations in the past…Grenell also noted Germany’s lack of military readiness, stating: ‘German military officials know that the readiness issue is a serious problem’…The German military has seen a number of readiness issues going back years, including an incident in 2014 in which the army was forced to use broom handles in place of firearms during a joint NATO exercise.
“NATO ‘Ally’ Germany Won’t Back U.S. in Gulf to Avoid War with Iran,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, July 31, 2019:
The U.S. has requested naval cooperation from Germany in the Strait of Hormuz as tensions with Iran escalate, but the political leaders of the European nation have refused to assist their NATO allies.
The German Federal Foreign Office said that Washington has approached them to contribute to a new surveillance mission in the Persian Gulf but had rejected the appeal saying there was no prospect of a contribution, German tabloid Bild reports.Germany’s allies, including the U.S. and the UK, have been attacked in the Persian Gulf by Iran in recent months. and under the doctrine of collective defence guaranteed by the NATO alliance, Germany is duty-bound to come to the aid of its allies if asked. Yet senior members of Angela Merkel’s left-centrist coalition government have made clear working with the U.S. is out of the question.
Social Democrat (SPD) foreign policy spokesman Nils Schmid told German newspaper Tagesspiegel that “participation is out of the question,” adding: “Germany will not participate in a U.S. mission.
“We could suddenly find ourselves on the side of the Americans in a war with Iran. European nations should be very careful to keep a distance from the military mission of the Americans.”
Another foreign office source told the tabloid: “Participation in the American strategy of maximum pressure is out of the question for us.” He added the German government was looking instead to use diplomatic means to “de-escalate tensions”. Germany, along with the European Union, has been a keen supporter of the failed Iran nuclear deal, which could be the diplomatic measures to which the spokesman was referring.
A spokesman for the U.S. embassy to Germany confirmed: “We have formally asked Germany to work with France and Britain to help secure the Strait of Hormuz and fight Iranian aggression.”
Germany’s position contrasts strongly with that of South Korea, which is not a member of the NATO alliance, but which nonetheless is considering contributing to the security of the Persian Gulf, Breitbart London reported.
Former Christian Democratic Union (CDU) Secretary of State for Defence Christian Schmidt disagreed on the government’s stance, however. He said of the decision: “Pure observation is not enough; we must also be able to actively protect our merchant ships.” He added that the safe passage of vessels was “existential” for Germany.
Germany, like all developed nations, relies on the free flow of oil tankers that pass through the Strait of Hormuz from the Persian Gulf to the rest of the world….
Steve says
And what did one expect with Muslima Merkel in charge?
mortimer says
Germany has used Islam in its dirty wars in the past. I wonder what Merkel is planning with this duplicity. Germany doesn’t really believe that Muslims are peaceful. They live in terror of revenge attacks inside Germany.
Keys says
Duplicity is right.
Germany backing off of this American request will insure that German ships have safe passage without any cost or “existential threat. This will give Iran more resources to harass or “attack” other shipping.
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Also, even more troubling in the article is: “assertions by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Iran is stockpiling nuclear weapons”.
Stockpiling ? So, Iran has nukes and are stockpiling them ? When did that happen ? Did they get them from Iran or North Korea ?
Gap says
Iran has been playing a shell game with inspectors. Since the Nuclear agreement with Iran does not allow unannounced spot inspections the Iranians have found it easy to both hide and move its nuclear technologies
J D S says
Well, well, if one NATO partner won’t help May be we can ask another….TURKEY.
Dawne Swift says
lol!
Christianblood says
Nato fags should not mess with Iran. Iran is not Libya, Iraq or Syria and has powerful allies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=ejvTPVvj_IE
gravenimage says
Once again, christianblood is threatening Infidels with his friends the JIhadists.
Angemon says
“ Iran is not Libya, Iraq or Syria and has powerful allies! !
“Powerful” allies that are currently facing crushing sanctions, I suspect. And they, like you, are enabling a terrorist-sponsoring, genocidal, Christian-persecuting state. Shame on you, and shame on them! Shame! SHAME!!!!! SHAME!!!!!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1132033/Christianity-persecution-today-Christian-Iran-religion-beliefs-history-book-latest-news
Christianblood says
Angemon
You are full of BS propaganda and lies!
Christianity is legal in Iran and unlike your Saudi Wahhabi masters, where Christianity an all other religions are still illegal in Iran there are hundreds of thousands of Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhists and Zoroastrians each with their houses of worship!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35TUFmCtYY
Angemon says
“Angemon
You are full of BS propaganda and lies!”
For all the times you’ve accused me of lying, you have yet to point to an instance of me lying. Not even once you have pointed to anything I wrote and replied with “you’re wrong because such and such, here’s the evidence to back it up”.
“Christianity is legal in Iran ”
Are muslims free to convert to Christianity without facing state-mandated repercussions? In any case, this are simply diversionary tactics – you don’t deny that Christians are persecuted in Iran, nor that you carry water for their persecutors, you simply try to lead into the opposite conclusion by saying “Christianity is legal in Iran”, as if they were mutually exclusive:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iranian-regimes-repression-of-christians-shocks-the-conscience
You are enabling a terrorist-sponsoring, genocidal, Christian-persecuting state. Shame! Shame! SHAME!!!!! SHAME!!!!!
Christianblood says
Angemon
Iran is not a liberal democracy and Muslims that convert to Christianity in Iran will face persecution, especially if they are suspected as Western allies or spies but Christianity is not illegal in Iran like its in Saudi Arabia,
and Iran is far more tolerant and far more at ease with non-Islamic religions then the US-allied Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states! That is why you have more Jewish people in Iran than the rest of the Islamic world combined!
Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUP571KQyRQ
Angemon says
“Iran is not a liberal democracy”
Seeing what you have said of liberal democracies, you must consider this to be a good thing…
“and Muslims that convert to Christianity in Iran will face persecution”
And yet, you call me a liar when I mention the persecution of Christians. Of course, this is not limited to converts from islam, nor is it, as you like to claim, because Christians are Western spies. It’s smply ebcause they are Christians. And same goes for other minorities.
“but Christianity is not illegal in Iran ”
Ah, the “but” that renders everything before it moot and void. Like I said, Christians are persecuted in Iran. Persecuted by state orders. Saudi Arabia doesn’t rule Iran, do they? So whether Christianity is legal in Saudi Arabia or not is irrelevant – a murder across the world doesn’t excuse a murder here and now, does it?
No, Christians are persecuted in Iran, and you carry water for their persecutors – all while faking outrage at Saudi Arabia.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iranian-regimes-repression-of-christians-shocks-the-conscience
You are enabling a terrorist-sponsoring, genocidal, Christian-persecuting state. Shame! Shame! SHAME!!!!! SHAME!!!!!
Christianblood says
Angemon posted
(…Seeing what you have said of liberal democracies, you must consider this to be a good thing…)
You are right, but I had to put things in context for you, I had to step into your shoes and speak with your own language because I know that is the only way you would understand situations.
Angemon says
“You are right”
Oh, I know I am. I knew you were double-speaking and praising Iran, hence why I pointed it out. Same way as I pointed out your “Christianity is legal in Iran” non-response for the diversionary tactics it was. And same way I point out you consistently defend the Iranian regime and its persecution of Christians. Christians are persecuted in Iran, and you carry water for their persecutors:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iranian-regimes-repression-of-christians-shocks-the-conscience
You are enabling a terrorist-sponsoring, genocidal, Christian-persecuting state. Shame! Shame! SHAME!!!!! SHAME!!!!!
J D S says
PREDICTION: If Iran continues rattling the sword then eventually they will be squashed like stepping on a bug….maybe even from within…after their leaders have been eliminated. The Ukrainian “real citizenry”peoples have just About had it with the present regime.
gravenimage says
Is christianblood in favor of this persecution of Christians in Iran? Why wouldn’t he be?
“Islamic Republic of Iran sentences convert from Islam to prison for ‘acting against national security'”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/islamic-republic-of-iran-sentences-convert-from-islam-to-prison-for-acting-against-national-security
This story is from today, but there are thousands more.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
Angemon
Iran is not a liberal democracy and Muslims that convert to Christianity in Iran will face persecution…
Angemon wrote:
“Iran is not a liberal democracy”
Seeing what you have said of liberal democracies, you must consider this to be a good thing…
christianblood wrote:
Angemon posted
(…Seeing what you have said of liberal democracies, you must consider this to be a good thing…)
You are right, but I had to put things in context for you, I had to step into your shoes and speak with your own language because I know that is the only way you would understand situations.
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I’d missed this the first time–this means that christianblood *does* consider it a good thing to persecute Muslims who convert to Christianity–and hates nations that do not practice such persecution. *Ugh*
This explains his refusing to condemn such persecution not just in Iran, but also in places like Chechnya.
Laura says
Galloway sounds like Lord Haw Haw the British traitor from the WW” era, he ended up on the end of a rope.
Christianblood says
Laura
Galloway speaks the Truth, exposes the bloody, warmongering, degenerate pro-Jihadist US/Nato imperialists!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk
Angemon says
“Galloway speaks the Truth”
Anyone who espouses anti-Americanism, facts, evidence and logic be damned, will not be labelled a liar by you… As Christopher Hitchens wrote of Galloway:
gravenimage says
George Galloway is a totalitarian who is pro-terrorism, who *hates* Americans and Jews, and seeks the destruction of Israel. christianblood’s kind of guy…
Dawne Swift says
Iran is a terrorist country with state sponsored terrorism. This is a fact.
Avenger says
Dawne,
That description of a terrorist state also applies to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
Both strong US allies.
Angemon says
I have yet to see anyone here defend Saudi Arabia. I have, however, seen people defending Iran, denying it’s a terrorism-sponsoring state, denying the persecution of Christians in Iran, etc.
roger standen says
Germany is a loathsome entity. It has no right to exist.
mortimer says
Germans seem to agree with you: they are not reproducing and replacing themselves with German-hating jihdadists.
J D S says
Germany today can’t see how they were given back their country after America conquered it…yes I said America… America was the leader in WWIi and without their help and leadership Europe would have been lost but hey…WE WON but did America not help to rebuild the whole of Europe instead of taking over a conquered nation …it was given back. America allowed Russia part of Germany and how did that go? If a conquering nation takes over a country then the conquering country wins the conquered…but that’s not the American way…
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Every European nation Owes America…but all seem to have forgotten and now Europe is in the strangle hold of another monster …Will America bail them out again? In A way I hope not ….but I suppose it would be in America’s interest to do so ……one thing though stands in the way…THE SAME TYPE PEOPLE OF WWII ERA, IN EITHER WORLD , NO LONGER EXIST.
Angemon says
I, for one – and I’ve said this before – am thankful for the American resources, both human and financial, that prevented a Russian-backed communist takeover of my nation.
Dawne Swift says
Most ordinary Britons haven’t forgotten America’s help when we stood alone in Europe against Hitler’s Germany. Ignore those of our politicians (eg Theresa May) who can barely bring themselves to be polite to the President – there is a great deal of affection for the US amongst British citizens. Europhiles (lovers of the EU) are officially in the minority here!
My concern is that the US will give up on NATO and retreat into isolationism if other NATO members don’t step up to the plate. This would leave Europe and western civilisation in a precarious position.
Avenger says
Dawne,
I’m not quite sure what Europe has to fear of the US withdrawing from NATO. The US usually draws NATO into proxy wars that benefit only US hegemony in the Middle East and Eurasia. NATO basically rubber stamps American imperialism. Should the Europeans fear Russian dreams of empire? No! Italy’s GNP alone is larger than Russia’s. The EU has a GDP equal to or greater than the USA’s and that’s not counting East Europe which is squarely in the American sphere of influence.
What should Europe fear? That would be unfettered immigration from Muslim countries, a very low birth rate, narcissism in there youth and loss of religious faith.
BTW The USA will never leave NATO because it would then no longer control Germany. Russia would no longer be an outsider and Europe might reach that mythical goal of union.
What’s ironic is the US would rather have an Islamic dictatorship like Turkey in NATO than a Christian democracy like Russia who might question the USA’s motives and intent in the region.
Angemon says
“NATO basically rubber stamps American imperialism.”
Lol!!! Weird “imperialism” where the allegedly “imperial” power does not expand territory…
“Should the Europeans fear Russian dreams of empire?”
Putin’s Russia has a history of interference, bullying and violation of many sovereign nations (Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Armenia, Finland, Sweden, Norway, etc). Should we ask the opinion of the Ukrainians or Georgians? The logic here is absurd – the implication is that it’s OK for Russia to have imperialistic dreams (funny how your criticism of alleged imperialism only covers the US) because they’re overall a broken, harmless nation who can not fulfil them. Might as well say that Israel needs not worrying about Iran’s genocidal calls because Iran does not have nukes….
“What should Europe fear? That would be unfettered immigration from Muslim countries, a very low birth rate, narcissism in there youth and loss of religious faith. ”
How many of those plague Russia as well?
https://jamestown.org/program/muslim-migrants-become-religious-arriving-moscow/
https://www.thoughtco.com/population-decline-in-russia-1435266
“Russia would no longer be an outsider”
Russia is an outsider because Russia makes itself an outsider by, among other things, its bellicose actions, imperialistic expansionism, meddling in sovereign affairs of other nations, etc. Once Russia, both at a state level and cultural level, stops hating Western Europeans, then they might not be considered outsiders. For starters, let the Russian government stop the propaganda demonizing Western Europeans and Americans (and that’s not going to happen since putting himself as the sole protector of Russia against “the West” is what keeps Putin in power) and start admit its wrongdoings. That might buy you some good will amongst your neighbours, but I won’t hold my breath…
gravenimage says
Should the Europeans fear Russian dreams of empire? No!
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Of course Avenger does not think that European nations should fear Russia taking their nations–Russia *hated* losing eastern Europe to freedom.
And calling Russia democratic is a bit much–it is, thankfully, no longer Communist–but it is authoritarian at best.
CRUSADER says
Isn’t that rather insensitive, emotional and irrational, thus stamping you as an “unethical person”, according to how sometimes mortimer will on certain occasions single out postings ?
Dapto says
Time to throw Germany out of Nato and let them be invaded by Russia
janwog says
Russia could occupy the decadent Leftist Germany within 3 days.
mortimer says
That’s absurd. The Bundeswehr has a strength of 182,055 active soldiers, placing it among the 30 largest military forces in the world and making it the second largest in the European Union. There are 35,000 American troops in Germany and thousands from other NATO countries as well.
The 2019 German defense budget is €43.2 billion and due to be increased.
Geoffrey Britain says
Something very much like that reasoning was common among the French just prior to Germany’s blitzkrieg invasion (Maginot Line of forts).
“It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.” Mark Twain
As this blog repeatedly reveals, the Germans, along with the rest of Western Europe have little fight in them.
SAFI says
Second largest force in the european Union my @$$! If an emergency arose tomorrow it’s doubtful if the German air force could even scramble half a dozen fighters. I’m sure the Ruskies will be shiting their pants when they see those 182.000 broomsticks charging their way.
gravenimage says
Russia is enabling a nuclear Iran. Your idea that Russia invading Germany would be a bulwark against the Mullahs is entirely mistaken.
Avenger says
GI
The USA enabled Pakistans nuclear endeavors and now Saudi Arabia’s. I bet the clueless Bolton and Pompeo are even considering developing nuclear capability in Indonesia to check Chinese hegemony.
BTW Russia is just reacting to US warmongering.
The real threat to the US isn’t Russia but communist China. President Trump is spot on with tariffs and shifting military assets to that part of the globe.
Let’s fight our own wars instead of using Muslim surrogates. I think it’s obvious why – Afghanistan, Turkey, Chechnya and Pakistan.
Angemon says
“The USA enabled Pakistans nuclear endeavors”
Nope – that would be China. As you very well know by now. And who did the Chinese got their nuclear tech from?…
“BTW Russia is just reacting to US warmongering.”
Right, because Russia has no mind, goals and will of its own – just a mindless shell who reacts as opposed to acting on its own free will… What other rubbish will you pull next, that muslim terrorists worldwide are simply “reacting” to “US warmongering”?…
gravenimage says
Actually, the Pakistanis stole nuclear information.
And it looks as though opposition to a nuclear Iran is “war mongering” as Avenger sees it.
Angemon says
“Actually, the Pakistanis stole nuclear information.”
And they were aided by the Chinese, as Avenger very well knows.
Jay says
Germany is lost! Nazi Merkel should be in jail! The german tax paying citizens deserve better!!
Merkel has allowed the unfettered invasion of Muslims to destroy german soverignity, and without any acclimation, is complete insanity! Europe will soon be lost along with England! Pm Churchill is not resting easy today!! Their very existence is threatened !! How can so many be so blindly led – reminds me of Hitl
The USA will not save them again! We must save the USA first!
Trump,2020 our only hope!????????
Glen says
My mind goes back to the early years of this century when the UK, Chirac’s France, Schroeder’s Germany, Russia and I believe a 5th nation negotiated with Iran to end their nuclear program. France, Germany, & Russia were selling Iran materials to develop their nuclear program. The same happened with Iraq. I believe I recall the 5th nation selling to Iran as well.
In the years between the World Wars, only the UK did not try to play the neutrality game. The bad guys, Germany & the Soviet Union increased the size of their armed forces.
Keys says
Yes, as I recall it was the German’s who helped them (the Iranians) build their bunkers for nuclear bomb development, so they would not be vulnerable to nuclear attack.
These bunkers addressed today in the UK’s Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7239809/Iran-ramping-uranium-enrichment-underground-nuclear-bunker-built-mountain.html
Avenger says
Germans have historically allied themselves with Muslim nations. Even as the Turks were murdering 3 million Christian civilians in the early 19th century, thousands of Germans in Turkey at that time, did or said nothing.
However, I do agree with Germany in this NATO – Iran confrontation, America and NATO are clearly the aggressors.
Angemon says
“thousands of Germans in Turkey at that time, did or said nothing.”
So, basically: Germany bad because a tiny number of Germans in Turkey did not want to get killed by muslims. Got it.
“However, I do agree with Germany in this NATO – Iran confrontation, America and NATO are clearly the aggressors.”
Wouldn’t expect anything else from you… Of course, were this Saudi Arabia instead of Iran, I suspect you’d sing a very different tune…
Avenger says
The Germans in Turkey were mainly military – soldiers, advisers, diplomats with their attaché. Both nations were preparing for war against Austria, Britain and Russia. The Kaiser Wilhelm could have easily persuaded the Turks to stop the genocide. So too the Americans and British, both nations had strong naval forces in the area but decided neutrality.
So getting back to your point, there was no threat of harm to the Germans stationed in Turkey.
Angemon says
“The Germans in Turkey were mainly military”
Citation needed.
“So getting back to your point, there was no threat of harm to the Germans stationed in Turkey.”
“My point”? Funny way to spell “you strawman”… Unless, of course, you want to argue that no harm would come to a tiny minority of foreigners taking up arms against the Turkish government. Do you want to argue that the Turks, who were murdering their own people would back down had an alleged small number of German military personnel stationed in Turkey tried to stop them? By all means, please go ahead and explain what the Germans in Turkey could have done to prevent it.
Christianblood says
Avenger posted
(…The Germans in Turkey were mainly military – soldiers, advisers, diplomats with their attaché. Both nations were preparing for war against Austria, Britain and Russia. The Kaiser Wilhelm could have easily persuaded the Turks to stop the genocide. So too the Americans and British, both nations had strong naval forces in the area but decided neutrality…)
Exactly right!
British and American navies were anchored off shore from the Greek- Armenian city of Smyrna while Turks slaughtered the entire population and burnt the city to the ground! The Turks could have EASILY been stopped cold by little of western intervention.
The US also encourages Turkey to invade Cyprus so they can establish a military base in the occupied area and US call for a phony arms embargo to make it look like they are shocked at the aggression. Why did the US, French and UK fleets lying off Smyrna in 1922 not help the Christians who were being massacred by the Turkish military? Many tens of thousands brutally raped, assaulted and murdered and the Americans, British and French watched it all. They even turned the back the boats of people who had managed to escape the horror and sent them back to the shore to be further brutalized and murdered in their turn by the genocidal Turks.
Angemon says
“British and American navies were anchored off shore from the Greek- Armenian city of Smyrna while Turks slaughtered the entire population and burnt the city to the ground! The Turks could have EASILY been stopped cold by little of western intervention. ”
Says the guy who routinely decries Western intervention in foreign nations… And all while ignoring historical facts. The Wilson administration did not declare war on the Central Powers until 1917, so the US entry into World War I was late. Therefore, Wilson never declared war on the East, and therefore there was no chance that there could be any military intervention on behalf of the Armenians by the United States. In any case, Americans did not stand by idly, as CB likes to pretend:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-04-24/american-who-saved-250000-death-during-armenian-genocide
Could Western powers have done more to save victims of the Armenian genocide? Perhaps. They were, however, the only group who actually did something to help the victims. Trust me, it’s no accident CB has no counterexamples to present – had his precious little Russia lifted a finger to help them (which they should have, seeing how Armenians were being accused of siding with Russia) he wouldn’t shut up about it.. So the question is: why is CB pretending Western powers did nothing when, in fact, they were the only ones doing something?
Angemon says
“ the Americans, British and French watched it all. They even turned the back the boats of people who had managed to escape the horror and sent them back to the shore”
From the link I gave:
Once again, the question is: why is CB pretending Western powers did nothing when, in fact, they were the only ones doing something? Why is he, again, blatantly lying about something easily disprovable?
Avenger says
250,000 refugees transported to safety in 7 days! The combined allied navies only put 150,000 on the beaches of Normandy in about that same time frame. Your source is bullshit Angemon.
BTW. You keep mentioning “straw man”. What the hell are you accusing me of?
Angemon says
“250,000 refugees transported to safety in 7 days!”
Indeed.
“The combined allied navies only put 150,000 on the beaches of Normandy in about that same time frame. ”
Citation needed. In any case, the implication here is that it would be impossible to move 250,000 people in 7 days because somewhere else only allegedly 150,000 people were moved in the same time frame. Anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together should see the blatant flaws in this “logic”. But not you, of course…
“BTW. You keep mentioning “straw man”. What the hell are you accusing me of?”
It should be obvious to anyone who reads your posts and the posts you’re replying to: ascribing to someone something they did not say…
Angemon says
P.S.:
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2015/a-failed-minister-who-saved-250000-christians
https://hellenicnews.com/the-city-of-volos-greece-honored-asa-k-jennings-for-saving-the-greeks-from-smyrna-and-asia-minor-in-1922-23/
Angemon says
http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/saviors/rev-asa-kent-jennings-to-be-posthumously-honored-by-the-raoul-wallenberg-foundation/
https://horizonweekly.ca/en/67302-2/
SAFI says
@Angemon “citation needed” for what? For the fact that the Ottoman army was ran by German officers like “Pasha” Von der Golz, “Pasha” Von Sanders, etc? That’s not controversial at all, just open any book on WWI. I don’t think Avenger meant anything about random German residents “taking up arms” as you wrote.
All of the Ottomans’ arms, training and credit came from the Germans. They were so dependent on Germany for everything, that the German Government could have practically just ordered the Turks to stop if they wanted. The Armenians themselves appealed to the German and Austrian ambassadors but the Germans simply didn’t care or even endorsed what was happening. After all their allies were the Turks not the Christians. The elimination of some potentially disloyal minorities who might join forces with the Russians or the French and British against the Ottomans was not seen as being against Germany’s wartime interests, rather the opposite. So yes the German Army and Government were responsible for colluding in the genocide, nowhere near as guilty as the Turks of course, but not quite innocent either. And by the way same goes for Soviet Russia for helping the Turks during their victorious so called “Turkish War of Independence” or the final phase of the turkish genocidal spree thanks to which the Turks secured impunity for their crimes and the Soviets were able to annex the Cacausus including what little remained of the “wilsonian” Armenia in the aftermath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJI0HQLHlX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpd5VIWXlM
Angemon says
“@Angemon “citation needed” for what?”
Huh, were you not following the conversation up to there? His claim about 150k troops in Normandy. My point is that Avenger’s argument was idiotic- just because someone somewhere moved 150k people in a span of time does not make it impossible to move 250k in a completely different context.
“I don’t think Avenger meant anything about random German residents “taking up arms” as you wrote.”
Avenger wrote this:
Perhaps you could explain what they could have done other than politely asking the Turks to stop, and what would have been the Turkish reaction when they were asked to do so. I’m going to go on a limb here and say that people who were murdering their f***ing countrymen on pan-islamist, Turk-nationalist grounds might have not have taken well to non-muslim foreigners telling what to do… You read the accounts about muslim Turks who murdered their Christian neighbours, whom they’ve known for decades, after being exhorted to do so by islamic clergy, correct? Does it look like they’d stay their hand if foreigners told them to do so?
“hey were so dependent on Germany for everything, that the German Government could have practically just ordered the Turks to stop if they wanted. ”
That’s not how the raging mob mentality works…
SAFI says
It’s Pasha Von der Goltz (not “golz”, sorry for the typo.) Anyway, like I said, most of the Ottomans’ troops were directly under the command of German officers during the war. All turkish troops were trained by Germans. All turkish weapons were made by Mauser and Krupp same for the ships of turkish navy. Even the railways with which the armenians were deported to their deaths were funded and constructed by Germans. In fact some were built during the war using Armenian slave labor.
The German Government could have intervened they just didn’t wish to do so despite pleas by the Armenians and others.
Angemon says
“The German Government could have intervened they just didn’t wish to do so despite pleas by the Armenians and others.”
Yes, I’m sure the Turks would simply stop murdering Armenians because the Germans asked them to do… Back in 1890, Sultan Abdul Hamid II stated he would solve the “Armenian Question” once and for all – his solution was a state-sanctioned pogrom. When the Young Turks seized power, the situation became even more dire to non-muslim Turks. During WWI, the Ottomans declared jihad against all Christians not their allies. But what’s a jihad against an increasingly larger thorn on their side compared to the request of the German government?…
SAFI says
No I was referring to your earlier citation request, the “The Germans in Turkey were mainly military” Citation needed” one. To which my citation would be any book about WWI ever written which covers the events of the Ottoman theater. Anyway let’s agree to disagree for now about the ability of the Germans to influence the Turks given how entirely dependent the latter were on the former for their war effort. (Especially considering also that the genocidal frenzy was not exactly spontaneous mobs but had been organized by the ottoman government and everyone knew it.) Still the fact remains that they DIDN’T EVEN TRY to do anything and in fact some of them especially in the German Army embedded in Turkey even endorsed the turkish attrocities.
“Our sole aim is to keep Turkey on our side till the end of the war, regardless of whether the Armenians perish or not.” thus declared German Chancellor Theobald Von Bethmann-Hollweg in 1915 soon after Turkey entered the war and the genocide was just beginning, when some in his government suggested that Germany should intervene and ask the Turks to stop. Doesn’t sound like someone who believes he can’t do anything about it, but rather like someone who just happens to have different priorities.
Angemon says
“(Especially considering also that the genocidal frenzy was not exactly spontaneous mobs but had been organized by the ottoman government”
Wouldn’t make them any easier to stop, would it?
“Doesn’t sound like someone who believes he can’t do anything about it, but rather like someone who just happens to have different priorities.”
Those are not mutually exclusive options…
Christianblood says
SAFI posted
(…like I said, most of the Ottomans’ troops were directly under the command of German officers during the war. All turkish troops were trained by Germans. All turkish weapons were made by Mauser and Krupp same for the ships of turkish navy. Even the railways with which the armenians were deported to their deaths were funded and constructed by Germans. In fact some were built during the war using Armenian slave labor.The German Government could have intervened they just didn’t wish to do so despite pleas by the Armenians and others…)
Good points!
Angemon has absolutely NO idea of what he/she is talking about, he/she is only here to parrot liberal, globalist, pro-ihadist, MSM deep state agenda!
Angemon says
“Angemon has absolutely NO idea of what he/she is talking about”
Remind me again about the shias in Somalia, whose existence you refuse to admit even though the evidence you brought up says otherwise, all while claiming to be an expert on the Horn of Africa…
“he/she is only here to parrot liberal, globalist, pro-ihadist, MSM deep state agenda!”
As for what, or how, anything I posted is “agenda” or (especially) “pro-jihadist” is never explained – it is so because you say so. Anyone who knows of my posting history can confirm that not only I routinely critique American and European national and foreign policies. And it’s hilarious seeing you complain about “parroting a pro-jihadist agenda” when you routinely carry water for the Iranian regime, deny their persecution of Christians, and stopped talking ill of the Turks as soon as they bought Russian weapons… Remember that? Remember how you defend muslim terrorism sponsoring states and leaders because they’re aligned with Moscow? And you accuse me of being “pro-jihadi”? Which of us celebrated the deaths of innocents in jihad terror attacks? You, not me. Remember when you claimed single-digit-aged children and elderly people murdered in their homes by Hezbollah were “military personnel” killed in “military installations”? Lies and projection – that’s all one can expect from you…
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
Angemon has absolutely NO idea of what he/she is talking about, he/she is only here to parrot liberal, globalist, pro-ihadist, MSM deep state agenda!
……………………..
When has Angemon *ever* been pro-Jihad? Examples, please–though I will not be holding my breath.
And SAFI is mistaken in believing that the Ottomans turned over their armed forces to the German during WWI. The Ottomans did accept training from the Germans, but this is a different matter.His implication that it was the Germans who were responsible for the Armenian Genocide is even less the case.
The Armenian Genocide began in the 1890s, and extended until 1922–both before and after WWI. The Armenian Genocide–which targeted *all* Christians in Turkey–was a Jihad, not the actions of the Germans.
Could the Germans have done more to try and stop the genocide? Absolutely, and it is disgusting that they did not. This is very different from their having waged the genocide themselves, though.
SAFI says
@gravenimage I’m well aware of the timeline of the events and no I didn’t imply that the Germans were the actual perpetratos of the genocide even though there were a few occasions in which german army men got a bit more directly involved such as when they attacked the Armenians who had barricaded themselves in the town of Urfa. I only claimed that they didn’t do anything to prevent it, even though, at least in my estimation, they could have.
Avenger says
So Angemon states that as long as Muslims are murdering Christians of their own country then no one from the outside should protest or stop this savagery!
You truly are despicable and a horses ass Angemon.
Angemon says
“So Angemon states that as long as Muslims are murdering Christians of their own country then no one from the outside should protest or stop this savagery!”
I did no such thing, of course, but I guess this is the level of “honesty” one can expect from you, the failed Oracle…. For the record, I even routinely call out your comrade CB for his defence of the persecution of Christians in Iran… Oh, I see what your problem is…
gravenimage says
SAFI, I certainly agree that Germany should have spoken out more against the Armenian Genocide. Some individual German citizens did, but there was very little from the German authorities,.
Avenger wrote:
So Angemon states that as long as Muslims are murdering Christians of their own country then no one from the outside should protest or stop this savagery!
You truly are despicable and a horses ass Angemon.
……………………………
Well, this makes no sense at all–just above, Angemon has condemned the Iranians for persecuting Christians in Iran, and the Ottomans and their successors for perpetrating the Armenian Genocide. These are both instances of Muslims harming Christians in their own nations.
So not only is Angemon not saying that no one can criticize Muslims doing this, he is criticizing them himself–just the opposite of what Avenger is claiming.
Christianblood says
Angemon
No indigenous Shiites in Somalia and any Somali you meet will tell you this, you ignorant! Somalis are 99.8% Sunni Muslims and have less than one percent Christian! Maybe some Shiite refugees from Yemen or Syria
but Somalis themselves are Sunnis!
See it below again!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Somalia
Angemon says
“Angemon
No indigenous Shiites in Somalia and any Somali you meet will tell you this, you ignorant!”
Again: this is false. You claim to be an expert on the Horn of Africa so you should know this. I gave you a quote from a book published by an actual expert on the Horn of Africa, a Somali, stating the exact opposite of your claim. What do you, a self-proclaimed expert, have to show for yourself? A Wikipedia link. The same link that you provided when you called me an ignorant and claimed there were no shias in Somalia, even though if you took the time to read it you’d have seen it denied your claim. I have proven my case, and I did so in accordance to your standards, whether quoting from the Wikipedia page you provided or directly from a Somali. From Culture and Customs of Somalia by Somali Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi:
“Maybe some Shiite refugees from Yemen or Syria
but Somalis themselves are Sunnis! ”
Again: see above. You are wrong, even by the standards you set, whether from your go-to “scholarly source”, wikipedia, or from the mouth (well, pen, or keyboard) of a Somali. But keep throwing you little tantrum, by all means 😉
“See it below again! ”
Nowhere in there states that shias in Somalia are foreigners. From that page:
In fact, as I pointed out before, it denies your “shias in Somalia come from other countries” narrative:
Like I said, even your own sources betray you. A smarter, saner person than you would have apologized and retracted their claim. Not you, though – you keep walking into the same trap over and over. You need to defend shias, no matter what, facts be damned. But please, by all means, keep proving you’re an ignoramus that can’t be trusted to the point you sink the case you’re trying to prove. Carry on, you raving lunatic 😉
Avenger says
Angemon claims that a rouge US naval officer and a preacher rescued 250,000 Christians from Smyrna in 7 days.
Let’s do the math –
A Lusitania sized ocean liner at the time could carry 2,000 passengers and crew. Now say you increase that to 3,000 by packing the refugees in like sardines. You would need 84 days to evacuate 250,000 people or 12 ocean liners the size of the Lusitania to do it in 7 days. That is if it takes one day turnaround which I would think would be marginal.
A small US naval force could never accomplish such a rescue!
Angemon is looney tunes. He should stick to CNN talking points and stay away from commenting on anything that happened before September 2011.
Angemon says
Ah, I see the failed Oracle is still as full of hatred for me as I remember…
“Angemon claims that a rouge US naval officer and a preacher rescued 250,000 Christians from Smyrna in 7 days.”
Asa Jennings’s actions are recorded history. I gave you several sources. That you, instead of disputing them, are trying to reduce them to a claim of mine just shows how dishonest – and hateful of me – you are.
“A Lusitania sized ocean liner at the time could carry 2,000 passengers and crew. Now say you increase that to 3,000 by packing the refugees in like sardines.”
3000? Why not, at least, twice as the carrying capacity of 2200? Oh, right – your dishonesty.
“You would need 84 days to evacuate 250,000 people or 12 ocean liners the size of the Lusitania to do it in 7 days. That is if it takes one day turnaround which I would think would be marginal.”
Well, how many boats were there? What was their carrying capacity? How many trips were made per day? Like I said, I gave you several sources – that you flat out disregard them is on you, not me. Of course, disregarding them and pretending I’m making numbers up is your whole goal here.
“A small US naval force could never accomplish such a rescue!”
Again: that you did not read any of my links is on you, not me:
More:
And, as I pointed out before, no one disputes the number 250,000 – just you, as part of your personal jihad against me…
“Angemon is looney tunes.”
Bugs Bunny, or so I’ve been told… That makes you Daffy Duck, I guess…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE
“He should stick to CNN talking points and stay away from commenting on anything that happened before September 2011.”
How about, instead, you about your contradictions and backpedalling, in addition to taking some sort of anger management lessons?…
Avenger says
I meant 2001 not 2011 in last post.
gravenimage says
Avenger wrote:
Angemon claims that a rouge (sic) US naval officer and a preacher rescued 250,000 Christians from Smyrna in 7 days.
Let’s do the math –
A Lusitania sized ocean liner at the time could carry 2,000 passengers and crew. Now say you increase that to 3,000 by packing the refugees in like sardines. You would need 84 days to evacuate 250,000 people or 12 ocean liners the size of the Lusitania to do it in 7 days. That is if it takes one day turnaround which I would think would be marginal.
A small US naval force could never accomplish such a rescue!
Angemon is looney tunes. He should stick to CNN talking points and stay away from commenting on anything that happened before September 2011.
…………………………….
Well, this is just absurd. Firstly, Asa Jennings was not a “rouge” naval officer–or a naval officer at all. He was a charity worker.
Then, the rescue from Smyrna was not a single trip by a single ship–it was multiple ships–not just American ships–making in most cases multiple trips to Greece, which is where the refugees were evacuated to. This history is amply documented.
That Avenger is sneering at the rescue of Christians from Smyrna is just appalling
Angemon says
“That Avenger is sneering at the rescue of Christians from Smyrna is just appalling”
Avenger is driven by a personal hatred of me. He, like CB, doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the rescue of Christians in Smyrna, he just pretends to dispute the number as a means to attack and insult me.
Avenger says
The Saudi slurping Angemon really worries about Christians in Iran but what about America’s allies in Syria (Al Qaeda and ISIS) butchering Christians after overrunning government controlled towns and cities? Just the sound of crickets from that boy.
Truly a duplicitous rube who has no business on JW.
Angemon says
“The Saudi slurping Angemon”
Avenger: i know your hatred of me fills up to your eyeballs, and it has been so for years, but this is beyond the level of ridiculous and sad you usually stick to. Can you point to any post of mine praising Saudis like, for example, you or CB praise the Iranians? You can’t because there is none
“really worries about Christians in Iran”
As opposed to your comrade CB – and, seeing the level of overlap you two have, I’m guessing you too – who routinely denies the persecution of Christians.
“but what about America’s allies in Syria (Al Qaeda and ISIS)”
QED – this is the same rubbish we get from CB on a daily basis. The US wiped out bin Laden and defeated ISIS in Syria. If you want to talk about countries who support al-qaeda and ISIS, start with Russia and Iran…
“butchering Christians after overrunning government controlled towns and cities? Just the sound of crickets from that boy.”
Lies and slander, as any honest interlocutor (which is obvious by now you”re not) can attest to. You would have Syrian Christians living under the boot of Assad, the man who released battle-hardened jihadis on his own people in a desperate gambit to held on to power. In fact, you have defended the murder of Christians by Assad. I distinctly remember you referring to this case:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/assad-slaughtering-syrian-christians
as
For all your blatant lies about me, it is you who is OK with the persecution of Christians in Syria – just as long as it is your Moscow-aligned buddy Assad. You’re as much of a ghoul as CB, albeit with more anger issues. I, on the other hand, have argued for the creation of a Christian State where Christians could dole out justice against the members of islamic terror groups that waged war on them and, more importantly, where they could live free and prosper instead of at the whims of the current muslim dictator – like Assad, who had no problems tossing them to the lions.
So, Avenger, are you with me? DO you want to see Syrian Christians living and prospering in a state of their own? Or do you prefer to keep having them serving as a human shield for your islamic dictator of choice?
Avenger says
Angemon,
Christians were thriving in Syria and Iraq before GW Bandar-Bush attacked Iraq on a lie and Obama with help from neocon nut jobs like McCain and L Graham allied the US with al-Qaeda against the Syrian government.
Your dream of a Christian homeland in the ME, much like the Jewish people have in Israel, would be one of the happiest events of my life.
Think about Christian Assyrians, Greeks, Armenians, Latins and Jews all living and working together without the fear that any day could be your last under a vile sharia law government. Lebanon had that dream going for a while and they were doing as well as Israel until they allowed
themselves to be overwhelmed by Shia and Sunni Muslim immigrants.
This newly formed nation would also have to have the protectionist mindset of the Israelis or they would eventually be over ran by either colonization or outright war by Muslims. Having an ally like the USA or Russia would definitely help too.
Dictators like Bassar Assad, the now dead Saddam Hussein, dead Anwar Sadat and Hosni Mubarak were actually beneficial to Christians but the future for Christianity in all these nations now is dire.
Angemon says
“Christians were thriving in Syria and Iraq”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/assad-slaughtering-syrian-christians
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Christians-under-Saddam-suffered-persecution-165.html
Christianblood says
Avenger
Well-said! The transgendered, pro-jihadist US/Nato are indeed the aggressors here as they always are. They attacked and destroyed many small countries and got away with it and of course their thuggish bullying behavior will not go on unanswered indefinitely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27V5IS41-k
Christianblood says
Angemon
US has bombed, invaded more countries and killed more civilians, 20 million of them since 1945 than Iran did in its 4000 year history! Now, who is the real terrorist state here??? Click on the link below to see the fact-sheet:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
U$A is basically a Mafia State! Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Skyw2TH29s
Angemon says
“US has bombed, invaded more countries and killed more civilians, 20 million of them since 1945”
And this is why you’re considered a clown – that article has been debunked before, many times, and you not only ignored it. Again: just by looking at Afghanistan and Angola it’s clear that there were Russian troops involved in those conflicts and the people they murdered are being blamed on the US. Anti-American propaganda from an anti-American propaganda site being spread by an anti-American propagandist.
Christianblood says
Angemon
Liar, Liar!
Every one of those 37 countries invaded and/or bombed by the US imperialist regimes is an undeniable, verifiable and documented fact!
The US regime is threatening to blockade and quarantine Venezuela as speak. Stop resisting the facts because you can’t, see the light of day! US is the number one threat to global peace and the whole world knows it!
“..Venezuela ready for battle if Trump imposes blockade..”
President Maduro…
https://www.rt.com/news/465696-maduro-venezuela-us-blockade/
Angemon says
“Angemon
Liar, Liar!”
Again: for all the times you’ve called me a liar, you have yet to point to anything I’ve wrote and prpovide facts and evidence to prove it was a lie.
“Every one of those 37 countries invaded and/or bombed by the US imperialist regimes is an undeniable, verifiable and documented fact!”
Like I said, you clown, that article puts the victims of Russian imperialism as being victims of the US. One needs only to look at the first two entries, where the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is blamed on the US and where it ignores that Russia supported the MPLA in Angola’s civil war, with then thousand troops on the ground.
There’s a liar here. Well, more than one. The people behind that article are liars. And you, who insistently link to it after being explained why it is bogus, are also a liar – because you willingly perpetuate demonstrable falsehoods.
Angemon says
“ten thousand”, not “then thousand” 😛
gravenimage says
Avenger, like christianblood, has always defended the horrors of Iran here, and loves to see Infidels cringing before them..
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Iran is NOT a threat to anyone! US is a real dangerous to the whole world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0bvNiKSpcA
Christianblood says
gravenimage
US the Greatest Threat To World Peace’? With Lew Rockwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzFsaG3kfco
Angemon says
“US the Greatest Threat To World Peace’?”
In one word:
No.
gravenimage says
christianblood has regularly applauded the savagery of Iran, claiming that its hanging gay people, vowing to wipe Israel off the map, and stoning women to death is lust laudable “resistance” to the US.
He has also said that America having defeated the Fascists, protected North Korea from Communism, and dismantling the Islamic State makes us a “threat”. *Ugh*.
Lew Rockwell is a self-described Anarchist.,
Christianblood says
gravenimage
America invaded and bombed NOT JUST north Korea but dozens of other countries killing 20 million mostly civilians!
See the fact sheet below:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US/Bombing_campaigns
Angemon says
“See the fact sheet below:”
I’m going to quote from there:
In any case, you’ve gotten your links wrong. You’re supposed to link to that globalresearch rubbish that pretends the victims of Soviet imperialism and foreign meddling were, somehow, killed by the US. Tsk tsk…
gravenimage says
There is no text on the page christianblood links to, which pretty much says it all…
Angemon says
“Iran is NOT a threat to anyone!”
Says the guy who denies the persecution of Christians in Iran, denies Iran’s terror sponsoring, turns a blind eye to the genocidal cries calling for the obliteration of Israel, etc…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1132033/Christianity-persecution-today-Christian-Iran-religion-beliefs-history-book-latest-news
Christianblood says
Angemon
This the fact-sheet of the countries that the US regimes have invaded and bombed since 1945!
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US/Bombing_campaigns_since_1945
Angemon says
“This the fact-sheet of the countries that the US regimes have invaded and bombed since 1945! ”
In all your posts, I have yet to see you produce an actual fact after writing the word “fact”. In any case, I see you’re upset that the US bombed terrorists and aggressors. Got it – nice to see where your moral lies… Not that it was any secret, with your callous disregard for the plight of Christians in Iran. In any case, I’d be very sceptic of a website with a page regarding “Russophobia”… For example, your precious little link says this of the Korean war:
It fails to mention that your precious little North Korea, backed by your precious little Russia and China, was the aggressor – they attacked South Korea and the US fought alongside South Koreans against your little buddies. But, in your regard, US bombed someone, therefore bad. Aren’t your Russian countrymen and your Chinese and Korean allies the aggressors? Did they not engage in bombing as well? Why are you insisting that the US is at fault for helping an ally to fight against an invader? Why do you cover up the aggressors? Like I said, nice to see where your moral lies…
Avenger says
Gravenimage,
Why do you repeatedly say that I support Iranian aggression? If I did it would only be war against another Muslim country like Turkey, SA, UAE, Pakistan…
Saudi Arabia and their world wide spread of Wahhabism is the greatest threat that Western Civilization has ever encountered. Because they (Sauds) are now so entrenched in Western politics, governments and academia we look at them as benevolent allies who give away billions of persuasion dollars.
You and Angemon are still fighting the cold war with communists who are long gone. Over 75% of Russians consider themselves Russian Orthodox and gaining, while the USA sinks lower into progressive, atheistic socialism.
The USA has two reasons for its aggression towards Iran –
1) Bolton and Pompeo use Iran to back door attack Russia economically and militarily.
2) Trump wants to sell anything and everything to SA, in doing so the Saudis of course will want favors like outright aggression towards Iran and it’s allies (Syria).
Angemon says
“You and Angemon are still fighting the cold war with communists who are long gone. ”
You like to say that. Heads up: doesn’t make it true. But I suppose it makes a nice way to dismiss whatever I or GI say. Heck, you might even fool the dull-witted into thinking it’s a valid argument!
“Over 75% of Russians consider themselves Russian Orthodox and gaining”
Where did you get that number? In any case, what’s the church attendance rate? That’s how you can tell how is an actual Christian and who claims to be just to please the tyrant in charge…
BTW, how is the alcoholism problem? Is it still a national disaster like it has been historically?
“The USA has two reasons for its aggression towards Iran –
1) Bolton and Pompeo use Iran to back door attack Russia economically and militarily.
2) Trump wants to sell anything and everything to SA, in doing so the Saudis of course will want favors like outright aggression towards Iran and it’s allies ”
Right, nothing to do with Iran’s sponsoring of terrorism (including 9/11) against US and their allies, and the search of nuclear weapons to go along their cries of obliteration of Israel – and it’s funny that you, after accusing me and GI of still be fighting the cold war, ramble about a back door to attack Russia…
Angemon says
“Why do you repeatedly say that I support Iranian aggression?”
Was that what GI said? Can’t you reply to someone without pulling a strawman out of your ass? Doesn’t bode well for you…
Christianblood says
Avenger posted
(..Saudi Arabia and their world wide spread of Wahhabism is the greatest threat that Western Civilization has ever encountered. Because they (Sauds) are now so entrenched in Western politics, governments and academia we look at them as benevolent allies who give away billions of persuasion dollars..)
Well-said! The pro-jihadist US regime is so immoral and so evil that it is currently transferring its own nuclear technology to a Saudi Arabian Wahhabi state which is basically like ISIS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FKn4aMOoQ
Angemon says
“The pro-jihadist US regime is so immoral and so evil that it is currently transferring its own nuclear technology to a Saudi Arabian Wahhabi state ”
As ointed out before, you have your little Iranian buddies to thank for that – Saudis never cared for nukes until Iran seemed to be on its way to get one. The Saudis even consider joining forces with Israel to prevent that.
“which is basically like ISIS! ”
If Iran finds this out, they’ll start funding the Saudis as well…
Christianblood says
Avenger posted
(..The USA has two reasons for its aggression towards Iran –
1) Bolton and Pompeo use Iran to back door attack Russia economically and militarily. 2) Trump wants to sell anything and everything to SA, in doing so the Saudis of course will want favors like outright aggression towards Iran and it’s allies (Syria)..)
Exactly right!
Also the US regime wishes to do another regime-change in Iran and steal its oil like it did in the fifties and then in late seventies when it collaborated with Khumeinists and back-stabbed its long-term ally, the Shah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Z-ORkIjpA
Angemon says
“ then in late seventies when it collaborated with Khumeinists and back-stabbed its long-term ally, the Shah!”
And you still wonder why you’re called a liar… In any case, considering your zealot defence of the Iranian regime, shouldn’t you be praising this libel?
Christianblood says
The fact is there would be NO Iranian Revolution without the CIA and the U$ colluding with Khumeinists: See it below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyHpVZoMIbc
Angemon says
“The fact is there would be NO Iranian Revolution without the CIA ”
Or so you claim… In any case, seeing how you defend the Iranian regime, shouldn’t you be thanking the CIA? You can’t have it both ways, you know. Either you consider the Iranian regime a bad thing and blame the US or you consider it a good thing and thank the US.
Christianblood says
Talk about the downing of Iranian airliner by the US with almost 300 on board including 60 kids, all dead!
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-downing-of-iranian-airliner-gone-from-history/5646167
See the arrogance of the US leader after downing an Iranian airliner killing almost 300 civilians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qatUWwIeg
Angemon says
“Talk about the downing of Iranian airliner by the US with almost 300 on board including 60 kids, all dead!”
Didn’t the US admitted mistake and paid reparations decades ago? The Iranian regime got over it – just not you…
“See the arrogance of the US leader after downing an Iranian airliner killing almost 300 civilians”
There’s nothing in that clip indicating Bush is talking about that unfortunate incident. I know you know this because I pointed it out to you. And you wonder why you’re called a liar…
Christianblood says
For CIA’s involvement in 1953 Iranian coup, watch the clip below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQFgmVgHCpU
Angemon says
“For CIA’s involvement in 1953 Iranian coup, watch the clip below”
Remind me again of what you call Western MSM, specifically CNN?… “Biased”, “facade of news”, etc…
Christianblood says
US demonizes Iran while it is now willing to transfer even nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia and tolerates its savagery, religious discrimination and worldwide financing of global jihadist ideology! Last year, under secretary, Stuart Jones, couldn’t answer the same question asked about Saudi Arabia’s human rights record. Watch him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0K7qXdu8bs
Angemon says
“US demonizes Iran”
How does the US “demonize” a nation that copyrighted the phrase “death to America”? Aren’t they demonizing themselves?…
“while it is now willing to transfer even nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia”
Again: you have your little Iranian buddies ot thank for the Saudis interest in nuclear technology. Had they not ardently pursued a nuclear weapons project in order to obliterate Israel with, the Saudis might have kept on being neutral to the prospect of getting nukes of their own.
Christianblood says
Avenger
Our friends like Graven and Angemon are so totally uninformed and so drunk with the propaganda and lies that they will never ask a question like: Why always Iran but not Pakistan, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain or Saudi Arabia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=3HDkvc1ku5k
Angemon says
“Our friends like Graven and Angemon”
Neither of you is my friend, and considering the insults I’ve got from the both of you, the feeling is mutual.
“are so totally uninformed and so drunk with the propaganda and lies”
Funny you should consider us drunks, seeing how you admitted posting while drunk. As for the uninformed part, recently I pointed out to you that there were shia in Somalia. I even quoted from a book written by an expert in the Horn of Africa – a Somali man. You denied everything, claimed to be an expert on the horn of Africa and told me Wikipedia proved you right, going as far as to give me a link to an Wikipedia page. Which, as I pointed out to you, proved my claim and debunked yours. I guess this ties in with the lies part. And let’s not forget the propaganda bit – you are the one posting links to websites and videos that either don’t say what you claim they do (in fact, several of them say the exact opposite) or come from anti-American sources.
“t they will never ask a question like: Why always Iran but not Pakistan, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain or Saudi Arabia?”
As you’ve been told before: must have something to do with decades of shouting “death to America”, burning the American flag, supporting terrorism against America and its allies, including funding al-qaeda and ISIS, traaining the al-qaeda terrorists that carried out 9/11, etc. In any case, that is just another of yours completely dishonest claims. JW covered stories about Qatar, Bahrain, Pakistan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Turkey. Of course, you no longer talk ill of Turkey since they started buying weapons from Russia. Don’t worry, us, actual anti-jihadis, still cover it.
Christianblood says
Avenger posted
(..You and Angemon are still fighting the cold war with communists who are long gone. Over 75% of Russians consider themselves Russian Orthodox and gaining, while the USA sinks lower into progressive, atheistic socialism..)
Absolutely right! The fact is 95% of Westerners are one dimensional, have herd mentality and are terribly manipulated by their media propaganda and lies and would never understand about Russia or any other country which lies outside of their little, decadent, degenerate materialistic bubble!
Unlike them, the good American below and many others like him understood Russia and even moved to Russia and is completely transformed by the spiritual Truth of this great nation! Watch him talk about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAyzbxDMxc
Angemon says
“ The fact is 95% of Westerners are one dimensional, have herd mentality ”
Funny how the 5% or so here that have herd mentality are the ones parroting your lines. Like Avenger. In fact, you have never praised anyone who disagreed with you – anyone suggesting anything deviating a comma from your lines will be labelled a liar, ignorant, etc.
“and would never understand about Russia or any other country which lies outside of their little, decadent, degenerate materialistic bubble! ”
And here we see the projection – the cultural context of, to name a few, Britons, Germans, French and Italians is reflected in thoughts and actions that differ depending on their background. It is you who considers dozens scores of nations with varied histories and cultures as a single, hegemonic, monolithic entity where everyone thinks the same. One needs only to skim through the comment section to see Westerners commenting and arguing with one another while the purveyors of Russia propaganda are either , well, purveying Russian propaganda – anti-Western in nature – or stroking the ego of anyone who posted anything anti-Western.
Angemon says
“Unlike them, the good American below and many others like him understood Russia and even moved to Russia”
See? Just as I pointed out – for all your talk of “herd mentality” on the part of Westerners, it is you who engages in one-dimensional speech. A “Westerner” criticizes Russia? RAW RAW, BAD, HERD MENTALITY, WESTERNERS ARE BAD!!! Praises Russia? GOOD MAN!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/11/world/europe/russia-domestic-violence-european-court-of-human-rights.html
SAFI says
“transfer nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia” Christianblood sorry but your criticisms seem hypohritical seeing how you’re such a big fanboy of Putin. A few years back during a visit to Pakistan, President(Sultan) Erdogan of Turkey mentioned his ambition to aquire some nukes of his own. Well after that guess which was the first country that rushed to help him take the first steps to that direction by “transfering nuclear technology”. Well, Putin’s Russia of course
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-Russia-starts-building-Turkeys-first-nuclear-power-plant-03041801.html
gravenimage says
I’m not a fan of *any* of these thuggish Muslim nations–they are not our allies, they are not Russia’s allies, either.
christianblood wrote:
Why always Iran but not Pakistan, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain or Saudi Arabia?
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christianblood has posted this calumny against Jihad Watch many times before–it is simply false. JW regularly posts stories critical of of the UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia–as well as Iran and many other Muslim nations–including just yesterday about Saudi Arabia.
His claim is so easily disproven I don’t know why he even bothers with such an obvious lie.
His–and Avenger’s–constant claims that if you oppose the savagery of Iran that this ergo means that you support the savagery of Sunni Muslims is grotesque. It it really inconceivable that most of us stand against *all* the barbarism of Islam? I doubt it.
Christianblood says
Tulsi Gabbard speaks out on US nuclear deal with Saudis!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_3VhASrms
Angemon says
Good thing for Tulsi Gabbard she lives in a country where she can openly disagree with the President without having her life endangered for it. I can only imagine to what would happen to Putin’s political opponents who dared criticizing his sale of weapons to Turkey… In any case, Gabbard is running for the Democratic nomination – we’ll see how well this ages if she gets it…
Avenger says
The US sells millions of dollars more in military goods to Turkey then Russia.
Is that alright with you Angemon?
Angemon says
“The US sells millions of dollars more in military goods to Turkey then Russia.
Is that alright with you Angemon?”
Like the recent F-35 deal? Oh, wait… In any case, nice try, creep. I have criticized Turkey and Western dealings with Turkey, and will continue to do so. Your buddy CB was all fire and brimstone about Turkey… until, that is, their money started going East instead of West and Turkey went from “arming and supporting terrorists that want to murder Christians” to “an independent nation that can buy their weapons from whomever they want” before being quietly dropped from his “axis of evil” list.
Avenger says
Christianblood.
Senator Gabbard is bucking 5 decades of US State Department treachery. The fetid Washington Swamp will fight back.
gravenimage says
Of course, christianblood referring to me as a friend is sneering–he has said before that I deserve to be gang raped and beheaded by Muslims when they take over the West.
Angemon says
Indeed.
Rob says
This is 1975 Yom Kippur all over again. Western Europe being blackmailed by oil states. And people criticise Pres Trump for going after energy security as a priority.
FYI says
NATO
Nowadays? A Total Ostrich
Not an Actual Trustworthy Organisation
Not/Never Able To Overcome {the Russians}[haha!}
Naturally A Tool Of{the european elites,which the USA must pay for..}
Never Allies To Others
Nudge {the }Americans To Overspend{on europe’s defense}
Now America,Take Orders{from the eu}
Not Always Technologically Operational{what ,with all those translations required..}
ANI4ANI says
1- Abandon US bases in Germany. Set up new bases in friendlier countries IE: Poland/Hungary.
2- No escorting German shipping in the straits or any place else. The germans can fend 4 themselves, they have lots of ducats & r friendly with/Turkey/Russia & China. All those countries have strong militaries, let them spend money & lives on German security.
gravenimage says
NATO ally Germany refuses to back U.S. in Gulf out of fear of Iran
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More cringing dhimmitude.
SAFI says
It’s not the dhimmitude, it’s the many billions of euros in investments and trade which Germany doesn’t wanna risk.
https://financialtribune.com/articles/economy-business-and-markets/80105/germany-accounts-for-60-of-eu-investments-in-iran
https://www.dw.com/en/german-iranian-business-ties-growing-again/a-41998948
https://www.investing.com/news/economy/germanyiran-trade-collapses-under-us-sanctions-report-1910183
Same reason why the EU can’t be effective against Turkey, Qatar, etc… too much money to lose.
gravenimage says
Germany is generally fine with importing huge numbers of Muslims, which is costing them a fortune in welfare, crime, and security costs–they idea that they really, really want to oppose Islam but can’t afford to do so does not hold water, I’m afraid.
And no Infidel nation is making money off Muslims in the long term–they are overall a drain on our resources.
Relic says
foam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YxxLfPJBJI
libertyORdeath says
“We could suddenly find ourselves on the side of the Americans in a war with Iran”
So what side in this theoretical war would they prefer to be on?
Although I would still want the US to support Germany in any future conflict, this behavior makes that support rather difficult.
I refuse to allow my ancestors’ homeland to be destroyed from within. True germans would be wise to put their full support behind the AFD if they want any chance of survival.
CRUSADER says
Beware the Hun !
History has shown….
CRUSADER says
Churchill:
The proud German Army has once again proved the truth of the saying, “The Hun is always either at your throat or your feet….”
Bikinis not Burkas says
Time to slap financial sanctions on Germany , ban car imports etc. etc.
They are scared of the Muslims that they imported.
Ed says
Focusing too much on religion in these replies. Will offer a more accurate picture of what’s been going on here.
Germany is afraid of Iran only in the sense of losing out economic opportunities with over USD 100 billion in trade as in 2014. Read these URLs and subsequent stories within:
Germany – Iran business
https://www.wsj.com/articles/german-businesses-warm-to-iran-1407099835
Companies doing business in Iran
http://graphics.wsj.com/iran-sanctions/
Meanwhile, for stories “on the ground”, was concerned about an Italian colleague working there a few years ago under threat the bombs could potentially fly, countered that there was no chance of that happening as long as so many countries were represented there including Germany, having a big presence.
jca reid says
Muslima Merkel showing her TRUE colours! How can the good, industrious, honest Germans back & trust this woman & her kind? Recently I learnt about her, although born in WEST Germany, she went to EAST Germany, (former DDR), to get her education, then returned to the West. She is psychologically unfit for Office now after what she inflicted on the German People & Western Europe. A deliberate & cynical ploy to exterminate Secular Liberal Democracy. She is in complete denial about the chaos & anarchy she has caused. I’m surprised, well maybe not, ( Germans have gone “wishy -washy”), that charges of Treason have not been brought against her & her supporters. These “Leaders” are like kippers: 2-faced, spineless & gutless!