A friend called to tell me about an Open-Mosque evening he recently attended. Yes, he said, it was as predicted: “Earnest, ostentatiously sincere ask-us-anything faces. Thirty or so unwary Infidels. The main speaker began by telling us that Islam means ‘peace’, then quoted the Pope who had said that ‘Authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence'”. Qur’an 5:32 was presented in its abridged form: “If any one slew a person… it would be as if he slew a whole people; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of a whole people”. Qur’an 2:256 was repeated several times: “There is no compulsion in religion.”
Someone in the audience asked about the Jizyah and the speaker took it in stride. He said, not missing a beat, that the Jizyah was what non-Muslims paid to the state, instead of the Zakat that Muslims had to pay. Since non-Muslims were receiving protection (from whom was not spelled out) and did not have to serve in the army, it was only just that they be asked to pay their fair share — hence the Jizyah. In fact, he added, the Zakat was actually more burdensome than the Jizyah. No one sought to take issue with the speaker; the audience seemed satisfied with that preposterous claim.
This leads me to believe that it might be useful to go over both Jizyah and Zakat, to see how they differ, and to fully appreciate the breathtaking mendacity of the speaker. The main text I rely on is A. Ben She-mesh, Taxation in Islam, Vol. ll, Qudama b. Ja’far’s Kitab al-Kharaj. Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1965, p. 14.
Qudama emphases the voluntary nature of Zakat at the beginning of his chapter 13. He states that Muslims are trusted with the declaration of what is due from them, in contradistinction to other taxes which are compulsory and able to pursue. The Saudi law governing this religious tax is to follow the old precepts of which the tax rate for the Zakat is fixed in accordance with the persons from whom it is collected. A Muslim merchant from a foreign country is taxed at a rate of 10 per cent. A merchant from an allied country pays 5 per cent, and a Muslim from the country where the tax is being collected pays 2.5 per cent.
In K. S. Lal, “The Theory and Practice of the Muslim State In India”, Delhi,1999, on pp. 139-140, the author makes plain the difference between Zakat and Jizyah:
“There is a desire to equate Zakat with Jizyah to emphasize the fairness of the Islamic fiscal system. The Muslims pay Zakat and the non-Muslims Jizyah. But the analogy is fallacious. The rate of Zakat tax is as low as 2.5 per cent and that on the apparent [visible] property only. All kinds of concessions for payment of the Zakat exist with regard to the taxable minimum. In its collection no force is applied because force vitiates its character.
“On the other hand, the rate of Jizyah is very high for the non-Muslims: 48, 24, and 12 tankahs [one of the main historical currencies in Asia] for the rich, the middling, and the poor, whatever the currency and whichever the country. Besides, what is central to Jizyah is always the humiliation of the Infidel, particularly at the time of collection. What is central in Zakat is that it is voluntary; at least it should not be collected by force. In India Zakat ceased to be a religious tax imposed only on the Muslims. Zakat was levied in the shape of customs duties on merchandise and grazing fees on all milk-producing animals or those which went to pasture, and was realized both from Muslims and non-Muslims. According to Muslim law, ‘import duties for Muslims were 5 per cent and for non-Muslims 10 per cent of the community. Abu Hanifa, whose Sunni school of jurisprudence prevailed in India, would tax the merchandise of the Dhimmis as imposts at double the Zakat fixed for Muslims. Jizyah was calculated so as to inflict real financial pain on Infidels, and had to be paid no matter how poor they might be. This was part of their punishment for being Infidels, to pay for their own protection (protection from Muslims themselves). Zakat, on the other hand, was never meant to be a financial burden on Muslims. Normally it would be only 2.5% of a Muslim’s wealth, and imposed only if he possessed a certain minimum wealth, or nisab.
An important part of the Jizyah payment, which is never mentioned by Muslim apologists (and certainly not at any Open-Mosque event) was the deliberate humiliation, while making the payment, of the dhimmi. The Jizyah was not, as most Infidels would understandably assume, simply handed over to Muslim collectors. There had to be humiliation. Surah 9:29 states that the people of the book (Christians and Jews) are to pay the Jizyah in a state where they are saaghiruun. This word, according to the Arabic experts, means “humiliation or disgrace.” (See Tafsir Al-Tabari, Volume 12, page 96; Al-Qaradihi, Kitab Al-‘Ayn Lil-Khaleel, Volume 4, page 372).
This requirement that dhimmis should be humiliated during the payment of the Jizyah needs to be well-understood, and brought up at Ask-A-Muslim-Anything events:
The celebrated Qur’anic commentator Ibn Kathir’s (14th century) notes of Surah 9.29 that dhimmis are miserable, humiliated, degraded, and disgraced, and cannot be honored or elevated, and that — as an example — Muhammad demanded that Jews and Christians be forced into the narrowest alley if met on the road. In the same spirit, they must be humiliated while giving the Jizyah.
The Sunni manual Reliance of the Traveller, law (o9.8 p. 602, 603) requires certain non-Muslims to be asked to either convert to Islam or to pay the poll tax (Jizyah) while being humbled. It states the requirement that this tax continue to be paid until Jesus returns to earth and abolishes all religions except Islam. In other words, payment of the Jizyah continues until the End of Days.
Many Muslim sages have described the way to extract the Jizyah with much humiliation and blows, so as to remind the non-Muslims of the Muslim generosity and tolerance in not beheading them.
For example, the theologian Al-Ghazali (11th century), whom some consider the greatest Muslim after Mohammad, describes a symbolic decapitation of the dhimmi:
“On offering up the Jizyah, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits (the dhimmi) on the protruberant bone beneath his ear.” (Kitabal-Wagiz fi Fiqh Madhab al-Imam al-safii).
Or he may strike the dhimmi on both cheeks, or give him two blows in the back of the neck.
The Hedaya (the Hanafi manual of Islamic law) notes that the Jizyah (capitation tax) is inflicted upon Infidels for their obstinacy in infidelity and must be extracted from them in a mortifying and humiliating manner, including seizing the infidel by the throat and shaking him. It is imposed in lieu of actual destruction. This punishment for infidelity is no longer enforced only if the person converts to Islam or dies.
The dhimmi taxpayers also had to feed and lodge the tax collectors, soldiers, and others, and taxes were extracted using punishments and torture. Failure to pay the Jizyah, or to pay enough, had devastating results. These included branding dhimmis on their hands and forehead, mutilation, amputation of limbs, gouging out of eyes, slaughter, impaling, flagellation, hanging, being crushed under presses or thrown into freezing lakes…etc. (see Bat Ye’or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam, p. 66, 67, 68, 71). The degree of sadism varied but the poll tax had to be paid, or people were forced to flee, or were expelled for failing to convert, or faced death.
Sir Jadunath Sarkar (the preeminent historian of Mughal India) wrote in 1920 of the multiple abuses suffered by the Hindus. The Qadi Mughis-ud-din declared regarding Hindus that when paying the Jizyah, “If the officer throws dirt into their mouths, they must without reluctance open their mouths wide to receive it “ and suggested such humiliation was demanded by Allah and Mohammad, for it glorified Islam. Hindus were “lucky” under Hanifi law because other schools of Sunni jurisprudence allowed only two options: death or conversion to Islam. Aside from being beaten about the head, or having dirt thrown into their mouths, cases are recorded where Muslims spit into the mouth of the Hindi dhimmi as he presented his Jizyah..
That should be evidence enough of the Muslim practice of humiliating the dhimmis as they preferred their Jizyah payments. Blows on the face, and on the back of the neck or head, shaking them furiously, throwing dirt or spitting into their mouths — these are among the recorded humiliations endured by Hindus — no wonder that many converted to Islam.
So when you next attend an Open-Mosque Event, come prepared to ask about the relative onerousness of the Jizyah as compared to the Zakat, about the “protection” the Jizyah supposedly provided from attacks by Muslims themselves, and especially, about the deliberate humiliation of the dhimmi that was such an important accompaniment to the Jizyah payment. it will discombobulate your hosts, who were expecting smooth sailing, but instead ran into you, a one-man perfect storm.
Paul says
Cracking article.
We must not be fooled nor compelled by political correctness to be polite. They are after conquest. Go in as hard as you can. And win.
Best wishes to my fellow thinkers. Thats most of you.
Paul
Anjuli Pandavar says
Go in threes or fours and spread yourselves about the place, strangers to one another, pestering away.
Anjuli Pandavar says
I suspect that many who go to such “information sessions” are already favourably disposed towards Islam and wouldn’t take kindly to “Islamophobic” questioning. They’d hound the questioner to defend the “innocent”
Muslim who’s kind enough to enlighten them. Remember what a students asked Linda Sarsour about her lovely feminist tweet against Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Brigitte Gabriel? The audience was appalled at the student. Sarsour went full racist on the guy, who was white, and the pathetic snowflake audience was right behind her. The Open Mosque events will have a wider population spectrum, but I suspect the sentiments will be similar, if not similarly expressed.
mortimer says
I have attended such sessions. Even to ask a question about Sharia law requires an EXTRAORDINARY depth and breadth of Islamic knowledge (because Islam is extremely nuanced with exceptions and ‘minority’ opinions on practically everything) and the Muslim host is likely to lie in response to a tough question … because no one will know the difference … even the Muslims will be poorly informed about the horrible things that Islam teaches. And who cares if he lies? The kafirs came their to virtue-signal and show how broadminded they are and show the Muslims that Leftards are not bigoted against Islam … even if they no less about Islam than they do about advanced thorium fuel cycles.
The result of asking tough questions will be a bunch of comforting lies and only one or two in the audience will know that. Perhaps the only two will be the mullah who knows he is lying and the questioner who is giving the mullah the chance to lie.
Muslim2019 says
People like you are very easy to deal with your foolish and islamophobic type of questioning. They must ensure that security guards are present so that you can be thrown out for disturbing the peace. The forums are for people who want to learn about Islam, not hateful Islamophobes like yourself, if I’m a speaker at an event and I realize what you are on about, you would be responded to and thrown out of our sessions. Islamophobes are unwelcomed to our events.
gravenimage says
“Muslim2019” wrote:
People like you are very easy to deal with your foolish and islamophobic type of questioning. They must ensure that security guards are present so that you can be thrown out for disturbing the peace. The forums are for people who want to learn about Islam, not hateful Islamophobes like yourself, if I’m a speaker at an event and I realize what you are on about, you would be responded to and thrown out of our sessions. Islamophobes are unwelcomed to our events. story
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In other words, any knowledgeable questioners asking about the horrors that Muslims have in store for us with brutal Shari’ah law will be dealt with by force. Duly noted…
Muslims cannot answer questions honestly, but have to count on having an ignorant audience who will swallow their Taqiyya.
Raja says
Mortimer and Anjuli,
You are 100% right . Islam must be the cruelest political system on the face of the earth. Only fools and Satan possessed can support it.
Hats of to non Muslims who labor extra hard to pay off the evil mafia.
Paul J says
Muslim2019
People go to your info nights to learn the truth. However since you are pathological liars the last thing they will hear from a muslim is the truth. Your response to someone asking pertinent questions about your sick cult confirms that. The truth has nothing to fear from scrutiny, islam on the other hand has much to hide
Lydia Church says
Best example of open mosque yet:
(islam 101…. ‘crash’ course)
“And all those who ask too many questions, or disagree…. will be escorted outside by our big Abdul, lined up against the wall, and shot or beheaded….”
Any questions???
Jule Bacal says
A problem is: if I were with someone black and people started saying things I thought were insulting, I would defend. People on the Left are so naive they equate Islam with just another race or something like Sikhs…so they defend. I am liberal (and liberals are supposed to be open-minded) and I was curious and knew nothing about Islam 2001, so started to search. What I found at first seemed like nothing & we had a Muslim come to our group to give a talk that seemed OK. I was willing to give them a chance. But I kept searching, especially to discover what the real problem in Israel was & the more I learned the more I found Islam so repulsive, dangerous, totalitarian, persecuting, apartheid, and pure Warlord brainwashing to make everyone a soldier for the Empire. And I found out it is unchanged from 600AD to NOW and there is death penalty for changing it. It must remain in original form. It teaches mental illness, I thought and have since heard others come to the same conclusions. But no one TOLD me these things. I searched. But these liberals today are not into searching. They go by friends, authors ‘love everyone’ except conservatives, religious Jews or Jesus freaks Proselytising. I do not know HOW to reach them. Maybe they have to hear Imams giving their hate filled sermons from TODAY (in English) and to read all the Qur’an/Hadiths and Charters of Islamist countries and sects, testimonies from x Muslims &. Something that sparks a real curiosity. As it is, they think us who hate Islam are only like the KKKlan, nazigroups, White Supremacists, or ‘racists’. I was happy to hear Booker (who I still think is very ignorant) came out and said he would not support BDS or vote for business to persecute Israel as he knew the intention of many BDSers was to Destroy Israel. He finally spoke those words. Its a start and I was so happy about it. Too bad groups like nazitypes, KKKlan, White Supremacist Do exist and should not same as Islam should not. Somehow people MUST be shown that Islam is like them. They must or the outcome is unthinkable.
Ann Bradley says
Thank you for this excellent comment. To learn more about the lies surrounding this cult, may I suggest a look at CIRA International on Youtube. These videos are about the very foundations of this cult, (there are in fact none) and the cult is a lie from its beginnings. This is not to undermine Robert’s work, but is an extension, which every Muslim and non-muslim, politicians, church leaders, schools, universities etc., would do WELL to watch and learn. Riveting discussions between an ex-muslim, former wannabe jihadi, from Saudi Arabia, and Al Fahdi an historian Dr. Jay Smith, and others.
gravenimage says
This is true–but some of those people might start thinking about some of those questions later–they might even look them up for themselves.
Lydia Church says
Great rebuttals here to muslim2019…
gravenimage says
+1
Rufolino says
Interesting that the Pope is such a useful idiot for Islam that Moslems themselves are quoting the Pope verbatim as part of their defensive obfuscation.
Jule Bacal says
Remember Rome did try to conquer Israel, wipe it out and steal the Jesus movement for Rome. Jesus was not from Rome. Apostles went many places. Jesus never visited Rome. But they Claim him. It was their way to Conquer Israel. Then Arabs did the same but made up their own warlord prophet.
Ecosse1314 says
Very very simplistic reading of history. When the Romans put down the many jewish rebellions they did so harshly but not to steal the “jesus movement”
The Church in Rome developed simply because Rome was the place to be at the time.
gravenimage says
The current pontiff is an Islamophilic fool, but no–he is *not* trying to conquer Israel.
Jule Bacal says
The truth usually is very simple with a thousand complicated rationalizations. And Rome DID want to wipe Judaism out. They tried to do it with using the Old REEK name for Yisrael=Palaistine. (Palestine spell by West, Palaestine by Latin) Palestine is a Greek word that means ‘followers of the on who wrestled (the old power) as in Jacob who struggled/wrestled with EL and had his name changed in Hebrew to Yisra el.In Hebrew Yisra is wrestle/struggle. In Greek Palaistes is wrestle/struggle. Yisrael= Palaistine in old Greek from the Hellenistic Era. Greek was the official language for a long time. Greeks kept written track of history. The Septuagint (Old Testament) was translated into Greek from Hebrew. Everyone read the Greek in old Europe and all over. Many Greek names remain. Philistine is Greek and means Crude or Without Culture and refers to the Sea People of Aegean (who were not even Semitic) Rome read all the old Greek stuff. Rome called ALL the Levant Palaestina with all the different ethnic groups up into Syria even to Dilute the idea of Palaistine=Greek for Yisrael. Rome wanted them wiped out and all memory of Judaism gone. The SIMPLE truth of all of it is CONQUER and get rid of the old culture/language so people forget. Arabs did this very well. It was called Arabizing. Egyptians were not ‘Arab’. Persians (another Greek name) were not ‘Arab’. Anatolia was not Arab. Palestine ws not Arab until 700AD or so after they began conquering. Greeks wanted Yisrael gone. Arabs wanted Yisrael= Israel gone. Iran wants Israel gone. Rome wanted Israel gone. The simple Truth is to Dominate, to Conquer. Judaism had a very good system for strong existence. People who wanted to rule and conquer had to break it (and use it under other names)
Ecosse1314 says
All very interesting Jule. Sadly the truth is more prosaic. Rome were thoroughly fed up with the jews revolting. No PC in them there days. They simply crushed the revolts.
They certainly did not do so to set up a “jesus movement” in Rome.
As for the comment by GI..as an RC I completely agree that the imbecilic Apostate currently usurping the Papal throne has no designs on Israel.
joanofark06 says
Ain’t that the truth!
Ravi says
It is so wonderful to see how Muslims rationalize their atrocities. It is equally wonderful to see western liberals lapping up this BS. So when Muslims throw dirt, western liberals have learnt to open their mouth wide, as wide as they can. They will have the same bitter after taste, like the converted Hindus of Pakistan and Bangladesh have, just give them some time.
Raja says
Ravi,
Interesting to know that Liberals open their mouth wide to let in dirt that too from scums of the world.
True God says in Psalms 81:10
“I, the LORD, am your God, Who brought you up from the land of Egypt; Open your mouth wide and I will fill it.
Grim reminder that we always live in a grotesque world….
Roy Walsh says
More taqiya, go on home
mortimer says
My questions to ask at the open mosque:
1) How does the mosque teach Islam’s second most important ‘essential’ doctrine: Al Walaa Wal Baraa (Islamic apartheid)?
2) What is the CORRECT AMOUNT of hatred and hostility that Muslims should direct against the polluted KUFAAR ‘for the sake of Allah’? Hate them once a week? Every day? Every 20 minutes? Join ISIS and enslave kafirs?
3) Please explain why Muslims are not allowed to socialize and participate in clubs and recreational activities with KAFIRS.
4) Please explain why women (even Muslim women) may not exercise political rule over Muslim males.
And don’t fail to ask the Muslims (every chance you get) … “Am I a kafir?”
This last question really makes Muslims embarrassed and they cannot answer it without debunking Islam as a religion of peace. Muslims are required to HATE kafirs.
-Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed (Islamic faith) and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen (i.e. wrong worshippers). So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-“The doctrine of al Walaa wal Baraa is the REAL IMAGE for the actual practice of this faith.” – source “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”, by Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, authoritative Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca.
mortimer says
Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), a Sufi saint, described the PURPOSE of JIZZYA … it is HUMILIATION.
Sirhindi ranks as one of the topmost sufis and theologians of Islam.
In letter No. 163 he wrote: “The honour of Islam lies in INSULTING kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The REAL PURPOSE of levying jiziya on them is to HUMILIATE them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under CONTEMPT and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”
gravenimage says
Fine posts, Mortimer. Thank you.
mgoldberg says
the 18th century Moroccan Sufi “master” Ibn Ajibah from his Koranic commentary. Describing unabashedly the purpose of the humiliating Koranic poll tax [6] (as per Koran 9:29 [6]) of submission for non-Muslims brought under Islamic hegemony by jihad, Ibn Ajibah makes clear the ultimate goal of its imposition was to achieve what he called the death of the “soul”, through the dhimmi’s execution of their own humanity:
[The dhimmi] is commanded to put his soul, good fortune and desires to death. Above all he should kill the love of life, leadership and honor. [The dhimmi] is to invert the longings of his soul, he is to load it down more heavily than it can bear until it is completely submissive. Thereafter nothing will be unbearable for him. He will be indifferent to subjugation or might. Poverty and wealth will be the same to him; praise and insult will be the same; preventing and yielding will be the same; lost and found will be the same. Then, when all things are the same, it [the soul] will be submissive and yield willingly what it should give. [Tafsir ibn ‘Ajibah. Commentary on Q9:29. Ahmad ibn Muhammad Ibn ‘Ajibah]
gravenimage says
Good post.
Max says
Cool read!
keya says
I would have asked “is it true that you believe that non-muslims will go to hell”?
Clarino says
I went to an open day hosted by my local mosque a couple of years ago – it was not held in the mosque building itself, which struck me as odd. The members of the congregation were friendly and welcoming, but what was particlarly remarkable was that the imam did not, and would not, meet greet or shake hands with any of the non-muslim visitors, and no-one would tell me why.
I am not sure that he can speak English.
I am forced to wonder what he is telling his congregation in his sermons : I know that at least one of his flock is vehemently anti-semitic, because of the vitriol dripped into his ears since childhood fron his mosque and his family.
I found it a worrying and disturbing experience.
gravenimage says
Clarino wrote:
I went to an open day hosted by my local mosque a couple of years ago – it was not held in the mosque building itself, which struck me as odd. The members of the congregation were friendly and welcoming, but what was particlarly remarkable was that the imam did not, and would not, meet greet or shake hands with any of the non-muslim visitors, and no-one would tell me why.
I am not sure that he can speak English.
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This last may be so, but I imagine it is more that he doesn’t want to shake hands with the “filthy Infidels”–no doubt this is why they didn’t hold the event in the Mosque proper–too many “unclean” Kufar.
More:
I am forced to wonder what he is telling his congregation in his sermons : I know that at least one of his flock is vehemently anti-semitic, because of the vitriol dripped into his ears since childhood fron his mosque and his family.
I found it a worrying and disturbing experience.
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Thanks for your account, Clarino. Disturbing indeed.
abad says
“The main speaker began by telling us that Islam means ‘peace’”
Yeah wrong.
Islam means “submission” in English.
Nice try, main speaker.
LOL
gravenimage says
So true.
jewdog says
In the conquered nations, people converted to avoid onerous penalties, but in unconquered lands, people may convert because they are ignorant and gullible. Caveat emptor, infidels.
Henning says
Is the tafsir of al-Tabari available in english?
Shaky says
Demand Congress end ALL funding of Islamic orgs, and statutorily mandate that Islam will no longer be considered a religion.
https://newenglishreview.org/Rebecca_Bynum/Why_Islam_is_Not_a_Religion/
Terry Gain says
To claim that Islam is a religion is to demonstrate a profound inability to differentiate between God and Satan.
gravenimage says
Ask about zakat and jizyah at Open-Mosque events
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Yes–Jizya is “protection” money paid by Infidels so that Muslims will not mass murder them. But even this is not certain–Muslims regularly riot and slaughter non-Muslims.
And its crushing rates and humiliation are intended to push Infidels to convert to Islam out of desperation.
*Very* few Infidels know about this.
Terry Gain says
Muslim2019 says
Jun 7, 2019 at 7:06 pm
People like you are very easy to deal with your foolish and islamophobic type of questioning. They must ensure that security guards are present so that you can be thrown out for disturbing the peace. The forums are for people who want to learn about Islam, not hateful Islamophobes like yourself, if I’m a speaker at an event and I realize what you are on about, you would be responded to and thrown out of our sessions. Islamophobes are unwelcomed to our events.
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So asking a tough question is disturbing the peace. Your lack of self -awareness is hilarious.
Lydia Church says
They don’t want to be exposed by the truth… and asking sincere questions about true reality would easily unmask them… hence the problem… and why authentic questions are unwelcome there.
Anjuli Pandavar says
To a Muslim, asking *any* question is disturbing the peace, or more accurately, “making mischief in the land.” A Muslim doesn’t understand the concept of asking questions. It registers as accusing someone of lying or of drawing someone’s knowledge, and hence authority, into question. It freaks them out, especially after they’ve been especially charitable in answering your first question. Not questioning gets drilled into them from a very early age.
But just another thought. These so-called “Mosque 101” and “Ask a Muslim” larks are of course not intended to teach anyone anything about Islam. This much is clear. But I wonder whether the objective is really for the audience to come away “knowing” Islam in the way that they want them to know it. I suspect rather that the purpose is to head real information off at the pass. Before your infidel mind goes wandering off and finding out about Islam for yourself, or someone honest about Islam can get to you, they’ll occupy that space. So it doesn’t really matter what they occupy it with, as long as your mind is not available to whoever comes after them. It’s essentially the same tactic they use with those kids in the madrassas, except that the fear and the corporal punishment is replaced with all the nice Muslim stuff that takes so many people in.
Muslim2019, in case you haven’t noticed, many people who comment on this site were once Muslim themselves. We’d welcome your questions — all of them.
Lydia Church says
THE BEST DEFENSE AND OFFENSE EVER!!!
Quoting the evils of the koran is a great way to unmask the truth about islam.
And even if they try to deceive, lie, and taquiya their way out of it….
the BEST REFUTATION YOU CAN LEVEL AT THEM IS:
Question:
Can you please explain why in muslim dominated countries like_________, and ________, etc., the situation is ________ for _______ people? And in Western countries in contrast, it is ________?
(You fill in the blanks… examples abound…)
The evidence speaks for itself and that will collapse all their taqquiya like a house of cards!
The witness of reality will speak for itself…
Jule Bacal says
I have another one: Muslims call a religion with a trinity polytheist. But why do so very many paragraphs of the Qur’an read WE SAY when we is not Muslims or people or angels so WHO IS WE? Jinns? Is Allah WE? It is written over and over ….Heifer 34 ” WE said to the Angels: Bow down to Adam’ and they bowed down: not so Iblis:…..35-” WE said”Oh Adam! you & your wife dwell in the garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as you will, but do not approach this tree, or you run into harm & aggression” ….. 36-..”WE said get you down all you people….On earth will be your dwelling-place & your means of livelihood for a time”….38-“WE SAID: ‘Get you down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, on them there shall be no fear’….(and goes on to try to convince all Jews that Allah has warned them to convert to Islam..or Else) ….49-“And remember, WE delivered you from the people of Pharaoh:…..50- WE divided the seas 51-“And remember WE appointed forty nights for Moses…
And it goes on and on and I really do not care one bit but it irks me that Muslims get down on a Trinity when Qur’an says WE over and over and does not mean people or angels and sounds like words of God from the Bible but clearly WE. Not one but WE. It just irks me. Is it jinns like the same Jinn who was the voice in the Cave? It was not Jibral. Jibral is supposedly an angel. Jinns can be like the whispers misleading men. Jinns lie. Jinns are crafty. So who is ‘WE’ Qur’an which is not people, not angels?
These guys seem to have an answer for everything in a very crafty way but no one can tell me Who is WE in Qur’an speaking as Allah who is supposed to be God?
Proud Infidel says
This is like going to ask the communists, the nazis, or any other criminal gang if they are honeste and decent. They consider themselves good people and entitled to their privilege or preying on the populace. Islam is against all our laws. Suffice to say that the penalty for those who leave Islam is death. That should be the first question and since it’s impossible to justify such horror, that question should suffice. We give too much consideration to Islam. Islam s no better than any criminal gang, no matter how ancient it is.
Old Fat Bald Socially Inept Ron says
Good luck citing embarrassing historical Islamic facts at any of these events.
I have attended many similar Islamic events where Muslim guest speakers spend 45 minutes espousing a noble & peaceful version of Islam, but during the Q&A non-Muslims are not permitted to raise their hand to ask questions.
All questions must be written on 3×5 cards which are collected and sorted. Any questions that are embarrassing to Islam are NEVER read aloud or answered.
Islam cannot thrive or survive in an environment of truth where freedom of speech is strong and has not yet been silenced or deemed to be hate speech.
Islam grows in fields of ignorance, fertilized by deceit and fear.
mgoldberg says
Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace
Allah said,
(until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam,
(with willing submission), in defeat and subservience,
(and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said,
(Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, “I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur’an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.’ When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.”’
(30. And the Jews say: “Uzayr (Ezra) is the son of Allah,” and the Christians say: “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. May Allah fight them, how they are deluded away from the truth!) (31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah, and (they also took as their Lord) the Messiah, son of Maryam, while they were commanded to worship none but One God, none has the right to be worshipped but He. Praise and hallowed be He above what they associate (with Him).”)
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
All this talk about zakat prompted me to write to CAIR for guidance:
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Dear CAIR: Your top page https://www.cair.com/ displays a DONATION GOAL thermometer labeled “$2,300,000 Goal” with “Amount Raised: $1,811,684” (as of now). Why does my donation not qualify as Zakat but only as Zakat-“eligible”? What further must be done to ensure that the money I send you is real Zakat, not just “eligible” to be Zakat? (I don’t want to be gypped out of any of my Jannah-eligible qirats of glory.)
P.S. What ever happened to my CAIR friend Ibrahim Hooper? His Action Alerts on your top page haven’t been updated in nearly a year. Is he still with CAIR, or has he embarked on a new career? I hope he hasn’t gone kafir.
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Here’s the reply I got:
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… If you wish to donate, you may do so anytime on our website, http://www.cair.com. We accept American Express, MasterCard, Visa, Discover, e-checks or PayPal. Please consider making a monthly recurring donation to support us. … Please note that donations are zakat eligible and tax deductible as allowed by law. CAIR Foundation’s tax id number is 77-0646756. … We appreciate your support in helping us with our vision to be a leading advocate for justice and mutual understanding. Thank you.
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As you can see, this canned reply shows no sign of my inquiry having even been read, much less answered, by a human being.
Hypothesis: CAIR’s Washington office is being manned by jinns (probably at sub-minimum wage).
gravenimage says
Hilarious!
SAFI says
I’m very glad you decided to take on that insidious islamist myth of jiya being just an innocent “tax”, supposedly no different than the taxes muslims have to pay. I’m not an expert on the subject but I always felt that there was something extremely fishy in that claim made by Islam apologists.