“When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4)
“Woman charged with terrorizing after allegedly threatening to slice someone’s neck,” Valley News Live, March 6, 2019:
A Grand Forks woman has been charged with terrorizing with a dangerous weapon after she allegedly told someone she was going to slice their neck with a knife.
Court documents say back in November, 26-year-old Hawo Ahmed left her apartment building with a knife and threatened three other people in the parking lot.
The victims say Ahmed told them things like, “I’m going to cut you — I’m going to bust all your tires and your car windows — I’m going to slice your neck.”…
gravenimage says
North Dakota: Hijabbed Muslima tells passersby “I’m going to slice your neck”
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Likely those threatened were both horrified and baffled by this…most people know nothing about Islam.
Trish says
And you would think a Christian Church would be warning it’s parishioners about Islam. BUT as it turns out the Pope is not the only one standing up for these barbaric people. Protestant churches are teaching that Islam is a religion of PEACE as well . Every religion I’m aware of is grounded in PEACE AND LOVE. Which means they don’t stand a chance against this evil ideology.
gravenimage says
There is a lot of denial among Christians–and others–about the threat of Islam.
Richard says
Christians simply can not understand the insanity of the Quranic myth and it’s violence.
Mac-101 says
Maureen, a lot most likely is due to dat big money the Christian Churches git to relocate Christians and NOT persecuted others. The other reason is ALL churches most likely have been taken over by the Globalist. Christ’s teachings are NOT to be found in them.
gravenimage says
Mostly ignorance, I think. Christians like to think that everyone is as nice as they are.
Mac-101 says
Please excuse me. I meant to say the Big Money Christian churches git to relocate MUSLIMS and NOT Christians and other persecuted people in my above post!
b.a. freeman says
@Maureen: it’s neither money nor stupidity, for the most part, that (mis)guides the left and their christian dupes, although quite a few groups associated with mainline (supposedly) christian denominations are *more* than happy to relocate rapefugees for the national rulers, since the rapefugees come with *lots* of money from our rulers (of course, this is all without public fanfare). if one thinks about the left, especially the thought leaders, who sit around all day dreaming up their bizarre schemes, it is hard to understand how anybody could be so stupid. one would think that they would at least take a look at islamic scriptures, since because leftist thought leaders are so much smarter than the rest of us, they could at least interpret the scriptures to the poor brown muslims to explain what they’re getting wrong about their own religion. if one also thinks about what the left has done in the past century, however, one remembers that the thought leaders have without exception been less than honest with non-Party members, who are told lies until it is too late to escape a trip to a re-education center (often carrying an extra 230 gr. of lead in the cranial region). after a little reflection, one might decide that today’s leftist thought leaders are also being less than honest.
we should also remember that leftist thought leaders usually populate university campuses, have tenure, and will be paid until they choose to leave; they are immune to almost all forms of pressure. these people are *anything* but stupid, which is the main reason that it dawned on me that they have almost *certainly* learned islamic scripture. since about 10% of all muslims world-wide are pious, meaning deadly dangerous to civilization and civilized people, they *know* that if they import muslims into civilized countries without background checks, they are guaranteed that 10% will eagerly seek ways to attack the citizens of the host nations. all the thought leaders have to do is provide political cover for the attackers, who will attack without ceasing, with *NO* trail leading back to the left. the left has almost always seized power in times of chaos and turmoil, so this is a *great* way to bring down a free nation. one might even say that pious muslims form a proxy army for the left.
and as it happens, saul alinsky, in his 4th rule of tactics in “rules for radicals,” says to “make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.” in this case, this rule means prodding christians, and those whose morals are still somewhat based on judeo-christian ethics (i.e., most citizens of most westernized nations), whenever an attack happens, about ignoring their own “so-called” morals. when one is humiliated publicly, one often forgets to check *why* one is being humiliated … and we (collectively) shamefacedly stop worrying about attacks and guiltily allow even more rapefugees in. the majority of us have also been “educated” in public schools, which, in the u.s., have been owned from pre-K to post-doctorate since at least the 1990s (*much* longer in eurabia), and we were taught to look to the “smart people” (leftist thought leaders) for what to think and do, and also not taught critical thinking in a general context (only in relation to STEM fields, and only if one was trained in such a field). i suppose it *is* possible that the takeover of universities was unplanned, but given that the takeover of eurabian universities in the 1920s and 1930s was so successful for the left, i don’t think it was. in any case, if people don’t know how to think, and have only been exposed to leftist political lies, it is hard to learn how to think for oneself, especially when there are real-world consequences for going against the left (financial, personal, etc.). as a result, i would guess that 99.9% of all leftists are really uneducated, don’t know how to think critically, and can be led by the nose to the desired ends by the hard-core left, who do their leading unobtrusively.
the hard-core left has filled government jobs with people who are at least nominally leftist. even “republicans,” who are usually just everybody who isn’t a leftist, and thus form a usually unruly mob in congress (as opposed to the lockstep democrats, who *NEVER* break step, even when it means ignoring lawbreaking and deliberately helping spread lies), are nominally leftist (how hard would it be to tell which party was in control if one could only look at the policies, and not the names of those in charge at the time?). when democrats rule, the government turns hard left, and when republicans “rule,” the government turns left a bit. thus, once society begins to collapse due to the unending attacks of pious muslims, the government can declare martial law, to the relief of all. of course, under cover of the chaos in the streets and the enforced silence of martial law, it would only take a few dozen assassinations – at *MOST* – to empty critical posts and replace the victims, who were not true-believing leftists, with hard-core Party members. and the people’s republic of the USSA can begin.
i don’t have many predictions after the coup, but i strongly suspect that the pious ummah isn’t going to stop murdering innocents just to make the left look good, and i’m also pretty certain that the new leftist dictatorship will want it all to end. i’m sure there will be roundups of patriots immediately after the coup, but then the police and/or military will be used in an attempt to extinguish the ummah. conveniently, muslims always segregate themselves, so the left will order a muslim neighborhood or 2 to be surrounded, and everybody found within – men, women, children, dogs, cats, gerbils, and rats – murdered, mass murder being, of course, the go-to tool of the hard-core left. at that point, i would expect a civil war to erupt between the left and the ummah, and *THAT* is when i believe that armed patriots, hopefully including units of the police and military, revolt and grab the nation out of the jaws of defeat. as i noted, however, things are pretty fuzzy at this point, but up until the instantiation of the people’s republic, i think things are right on track.
so, no, Maureen, i don’t think that christian churches have a clue about what is going on; they’re as much dupes as the rest of the populace. i don’t think i’m all that smart, either, but i just cannot accept that the left is actually profoundly stupid, yet still as influential as they are. they left has a PROVEN track record of evil and mass murder, though, and what is happening goes right along with that. set aside shelf-stable food and water, and any armaments that U can – LEGALLY. republics are rule by LAW, while the left, like all other forms of government, is rule by FIAT by THUGS, and i encourage all freedom-loving patriots to OBEY THE LAW as long as possible, in hopes of preserving rule of law (the constitution here in the u.s.).
Mac-101 says
Freeman, Good Summation. However I believe the Globalist will use Islam as their forced religion as the ultimate control measure. It appears that Europe is already lost due to demographics. So I say it is most likely planned that THEY will use Islam as the Religion of da Beast! It fits Revelation so well!
FYI says
The current “pope” is too busy selling out christianity by subverting it:by equating allah(a god who CURSES Christians for believing in Jesus k9:30)with the Christian God he is betraying Christianity and Christians.
Neither the protestants nor catholics seem willing to take seriously the existential threat to the West represented by islam.Much of what constitutes Christianity today,in its authentic version ,is AWAY from the institutional churches:much of it is family based.Both the protestant and catholic churches have sold out to the lefty liberal agenda anyway:beware of CHRISLAM,”pope” francis pet project as it is a FALSE creed.
allah’s greatest enemy is revealed{Sahih Muslim vol 5 hadith #5611}to be a man called Malik Al Malik{“the king of kings”}:that’s Jesus Christ.
Since islam is the religion of allah the “best of deceivers” k3:54 and since allah’s greatest enemy is Jesus then that makes islam the religion of antichrist.
For Christians,the Gospel contains all the prophetic info needed to survive these times of trial:that Christianity would appear to be in decline was predicted by Jesus{Matthew chpt 24}
2 Thessalonians 1 v 5-10
2 Thessalonians 2
Bob says
This “pope” is not a real Pope, he is a disgrace to the Catholic Church, Christianity and the civilized human race!
Larry says
Don’t forget Satan has his churches also. Those who teach anything but the truth of God’s word are leading others into Hell.
Wellington says
Agreed, gravenimage. The continued willful ignorance of Islam by a multitude of people is both disturbing and sickening.
Terry Gain says
Yes, the number of otherwise intelligent people who think that this blatantly evil ideology is a relion and thus – as demonstrated by Piers Morgan in this attempted beat down of Tommy Robinson – is immune from criticism is a serious problem.
We will make no progress defending ourselves from this vile conquest ideology so long as it has the status of a religion in most people’s minds.
https://youtu.be/4hwkhM041ig
gravenimage says
Actually–as I have noted now many times–people defended against Islam very well for centuries. Your claim that this cannot be done unless everyone somehow ceases to think of Islam as an evil religion is simply not borne out by history.
Charles Martel, Jon Sobieski, Thomas Jefferson, and Winston Churchill did not somehow go easy on Islam because they considered it an evil religion.
Wellington says
Well and accurately stated, gravenimage.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington.
Carolyne says
Once in a while I have the opportunity to tell someone what Islam really is. I am careful to speak about Islam only to sensible open minded people who know me and believe me to be an intelligent reasonable person. The usual response is that no one talks about Islam truthfully and they are astonished to hear some of the horrifying tenets of this evil cult masquerading as a religion. The information is available to anyone who can read. When the Caliphate strikes, most Americans will be surprised.
mortimer says
Agree with GI: they know little about Islam … the jihad doctrine, the kafir doctrine, the hatred of kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’. This woman understands why she is conducting jihad ‘in the way of Allah’.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mortimer.
ss says
Why is it we are not in denial about the dangers of, say, methamphetimines, or heroin, but we are obstinate in our refusal (as a culture) to recognize the dangers of Islam? We seem to be willing to do anything to avoid the truth here. Islam is a dangerous cult, it is worse than a mafia because we can usually avoid dealing with the mafia. Islam is being forced down our throats. The other tenants in this building are subjected to it regardless of whether they are willing or not. The landlord is undoubtedly complicit because he is without doubt accepting federal subsidies for her rent. The Muslim immigrant tenant is more desirable to the landlord (especially the absentee kind we have today), He sticks one of the straight tenants with the job of taking care of the building, so he doesn’t have to be the one to deal with the stench of the goats being barbecued in the living rooms and he won’t be around to get his neck hacked off. Grand Forks is famous for absentee landlords and is more than half renter-occupied. It is a desperately unhealthy ratio and here is one more reason why. I also note that this woman has the evidence of being a “headbanger”. Look at her forehead. The uber devout Muslim has this deformity caused by routinely slammng his(/her) forehead onto the floor in prayer. Check it out. I have lived in Grand Forks. Now my daughter is living in the tiwn cities area This woman is now in that area. Great comfort there. Why is she not in jail?
I, for one, am sick to my stomach from these Norwegian and Swedish Americans who can’t do enough for Somali terrorists. I think they are as bit a problem to normal people as the terrorists themselves. And they are NOT normal. It is not “normal” for a person to continue doing something that is resulting in grave danger to himself and his family and community. NOT NORMAL. The sickness is not only Islam but non-Muslim apologists for Islam who want to impose this danger on the rest of us. They need to be charged as well. I am thinking of a class action suit against Lutheran Social Services and Catholic Relief, for starters. Anyone interested? Let’s give it a go. They are never there for harmless victims like Asia Bibi, but they disgorge thousands of these insane takers on American shores every day.
Jack Cade says
No one in North Dakota was carrying at the time?
Trish says
Apparently nobody she terrorized.
mgoldberg says
Yes… but you can’t shoot a protected species
DHazard says
+1 ?
keith Oades says
I can just picture it,,,,”I’M GOING TO CUT YOU” Bang,,Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang,Bang, reload, repeat!
CRUSADER says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewRjZoRtu0Y
song by M.I.A.
“All I wanna do is Bang Bang Bang….and take your money”
(Which is the one sentence necessary for understanding Mohamhead.)
Savvy Kafir says
If they’re threatening you with a knife, you sure as hell can shoot them. In the U.S anyway.
In places like Britain, self-defense has pretty much been outlawed — unless you’re a cherished Muslim, of course.
somehistory says
Any place where moslims have come to live, has a terror problem. Either it has been fully demonstrated, or moslims are just beginning to feel their power as they see their population numbers increase.
I have a friend in that area and moslims are growing in numbers there.
Will her lawyer get her off with a mental illness defense? Will she contact her ‘sisters’ in Congress to go to bat for her and request light treatment for her crimes?
Terry Gain says
Obviously mental illness will be her defense. And she likely is mentally ill.
gravenimage says
But so many Muslims are mentally ill in exactly the same way–all according to the diktats of Islam.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
What a remarkably uninformative report. Whence comes the headline information that she is a Muslima and not, say, a well-tanned Lutheran? Was she born in Grand Forks, ND, perhaps in Deaconess or St. Michael’s Hospital? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Forks%2C_North_Dakota . How does she make her living? Possibly as a costumed ninja or Spider-Man impersonator?
somehistory says
Mark Spahn,
““I feel like I’m a Muslim woman who’s being attacked because I am a Muslim woman living in Grand Forks,” Ahmed said.”
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/north-dakota-somali-woman-with-lengthy-criminal-record-threatens-to-slice-your-neck-then-claims-victim-status/
gravenimage says
Yep.
Wellington says
Damn it, followers of the worst religion of all time are even in North Dakota. Like cancer, Islam spreads everywhere if it is not checked. Right now it is not being checked.
Islam is the greatest menacing ideology to mankind over the longest period of time. If one can think of an ideology that tops Islam in this regard, I’d like to know what that ideology is. I aver there are none.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
I do not know of any current ideology that is worse than Islam.
CRUSADER says
Islam WITH Communism
Islam WITH Nazism
Any Islam WITH Socialist-Facism
James Lincoln says
Points taken…
Wellington says
CRUSADER: I agree that Islam allied with another malevolent ideology can add up to something even worse (e.g., Islam temporarily “associated” with Western Leftism), but, per my post above, I know of no SINGLE ideology in and of itself and over the longest period of time that is worse than Islam. I believe this was James Lincoln’s point as well.
Here Islam is #1. An infamous distinction to be sure. I mean imagine a world with no Islam but still the monumental idiocy which is Western Leftism. It would still be a troubling world but also a much less troubling world that could be more easily dealt with.
CRUSADER says
Right-O !!!
When WTC 1993 and then WTC 2001 occurred, the thought running in my head was:
“Oh no…now we who have right thinking in mind are having to ALSO combat this crap!”
(But, of course, as Spencer has pointed out eloquently, we always have had Islam to contend with…for 1,400 awful years.)
That of course is nothing when weight with Eternity.
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Northern Virginiastan says
Ilhan Omar went to college in North Dakota
Terry Gain says
What you don’t understand Wellington is that you can’t check a “religion” in a country that guarantees freedom of religion.
gravenimage says
Of course you can, Terry. I already pointed out to you that in Reynolds v. United States, the Supreme Court found that while laws cannot interfere with religious belief and opinions, laws can regulate some religious practices (e.g., human sacrifices, and the now obsolete Hindu practice of suttee). The Court stated that to rule otherwise, “would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government would exist only in name under such circumstances”.
It is obvious that the First Amendment does *not* allow Muslims to rape and slaughter Infidels or impose brutal Shari’ah law–which would, incidentally, negate the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Terry Gain says
Given that Islam Is relentless the only way to avoid a civil war is surrender or a ban on further Muslim immigration. Most Americans consider a ban on Muslim immigration to be anathema. And this will remain the case so long as Islam is regarded as a religion.
Whether Islam is a religion is not a philosophical question but a strategic one.
Terry Gain says
It is obvious that the First Amendment does *not* allow Muslims to rape and slaughter Infidels or impose brutal Shari’ah law–which would, incidentally, negate the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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Complete red herring. Of course not. I never suggested any such thing.
gravenimage says
I have never seen an indication that most people are against a ban on Muslim immigration because Islam is considered a religion. Citations, please.
And no–the latter is not a red herring. You went on at great length on another thread implying that the Founding Fathers were terribly ignorant and would never have drafted the Bill of Rights if they had known anything about Islam. I have indicated that this is not the case.
Wellington says
“What you don’t understand Wellington is that you can’t check a ‘religion’ in a country that guarantees freedom of religion.” To this I say, oh yes you can.
Once again, Terry, you miss it BIG TIME. Really, your ignorance of the law is astounding and indicative of, sorry to say, just how deficient you are in knowledge of American law (and Western legal systems in general).
All right, I’ll try once again, not that it will do much good because you are forever on one note—la, la, la—Islam is not a religion. How tedious. How ineffective.
Here we go. Freedom of belief per the First Amendment is absolute while freedom of action is not. GET THIS!
As examples not related to Islam, Satanism, even though evil, is a perfectly legal religion in America per belief, but you can’t have a human sacrifice as mandated by Satanism. Example #2: American Indian tribes are free to believe whatever they want but they can’t take illegal hallucinogenic drugs because their religion mandates this.
And so this should occur with Islam but we’re not there yet. Meanwhile, you’re still off on that stupid tangent of yours that the key to dealing with Islam is to deny it religious status. This is so off the mark, so not rooted in anything legal, that your input on this is not only irrelevant but actually IMPEDES optimally dealing with Islam. Yes, you are an impediment here due to your own massive ignorance.
Prediction: You will once again in full insouciant fashion remain in full ignorance mode.
Meanwhile, Terry, how many judges, law professors, historians, lawyers, etc. have lined up with you about Islam not being a religion? You never name anyone though I have challenged you to do so many times. You function in Terryland and it is not helpful at all in dealing with the tremendous iniquity which is Islam. So far, this is your “legacy.”
CRUSADER says
Bill Warner prefers combatting Islam as a political ideology.
Seems that Sebastian Gorka makes the aim of defeating Islam via it being cornered as an ideology.
Wellington says
CRUSADER: Islam is not only a religion, not only a political ideology, but also a totalitarian ideology.
Moreover, taking the approach of Islam being an “ideology” as a route to defeating it is a route to legal Nowheresville because every religion is an ideology, Also, secular belief systems are ideologies.
Nazism is an ideology, Marxism is an ideology, anarchism is an ideology and so on. Hell, democracy is a good ideology. Socialism is not an evil ideology but nonetheless a stupid one. So, what is KEY is characterizing Islam as an EVIL ideology.
In short, it’s the iniquitous factor and not the ideological factor that is paramount to comprehend and thereafter act upon.
gravenimage says
+1
thebigW says
I don’t think the West ain’t doin’ anything about Islam because they think it’s a religion. If Islam was an international religion of white supremacists, there wouldn’t be any need for a Jihad Watch or a Counter-Jihad and the West woulda shut them down LONG AGO.
gravenimage says
True, thebigW.
CRUSADER says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPhsD1vHGk
Woodchipping scene from “FARGO”
How far wood this Murderous Muslima go?
dan christensen says
She has proably been chewing too much Khat; the funny weed in Somalia everybody from there is chewing.
gravenimage says
Mostly, she’s probably been imbibing too much Islam…
Renate says
That woman who threatened people needs to do some serious prison time.
gravenimage says
She should be deported if she was not born here.
Mike says
Shoulda hog tied her and left her out for the wolves
Terry Gain says
Actually–as I have noted now many times–people defended against Islam very well for centuries. Your claim that this cannot be done unless everyone somehow ceases to think of Islam as an evil religion is simply not borne out by history.
Charles Martel, Jon Sobieski, Thomas Jefferson, and Winston Churchill did not somehow go easy on Islam because they considered it an evil religion.
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GI
Martel and Sobieski repelled Islamic invasions with force. How does this prove they considered Islam to be a religion? Do you want us to again have to resort to force to repel Islam? Your ideas will result in civil war. My path proposes a relatively peaceful solution. America can survive this attempted invasion but only if further Muslim immigration is banned and that won’t happen so long as Islam has the protection from criticism afforded to religions ( Christianity excepted).
You asserted that Jefferson considered Islam a religion. I am still waiting for your proof. As far as Churchill is concerned, I think he had more respect for religion than to consider it as something that could cause a disease akin to rabies.
gravenimage says
Terry Gain wrote:
GI
Martel and Sobieski repelled Islamic invasions with force. How does this prove they considered Islam to be a religion? Do you want us to again have to resort to force to repel Islam?
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Islam has been considered a religion for hundreds of years, and fits every definition of a religion.
No, I don’t want to see war–but the idea that it is Anti-Jihadists who are causing war for considering Islam to be an evil religion makes no sense. It was Muslims who were attacking France in the 8th century, and Vienna in the 17th century.
Despite what you appear to believe, it was not Martel and Sobieski who started this conflict–they were, instead, the ones who *defended* us against Muslim attack.
More:
Your ideas will result in civil war.
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How does recognizing Islam as an evil religion cause a civil war? It has never done so before.
More:
My path proposes a relatively peaceful solution. America can survive this attempted invasion but only if further Muslim immigration is banned and that won’t happen so long as Islam has the protection from criticism afforded to religions ( Christianity excepted).
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I have said many times that I want to see an end to continued Muslim immigration into the West.
And your idea that criticism of religions is banned is mistaken. In fact, people criticize Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths all the time.
The increasing strictures on criticizing Islam have nothing to do with it being a religion–were this true, then one would not be able to criticize Christianity or Judaism, which is clearly not the case. This has more to do with “political correctness”–most of those who are “politically correct”, in fact, are hard Leftists, and most of them are not particularly respecters of religion.
More:
You asserted that Jefferson considered Islam a religion. I am still waiting for your proof.
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Jefferson, in the preamble to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom, wrote this:
“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination”.
This makes if quite clear that he considered Islam to be a religion.
This did not mean, of course, that there would be “freedom” to impose a religion or to burn people at the stake. He was quite explicit about this, as well.
More:
As far as Churchill is concerned, I think he had more respect for religion than to consider it as something that could cause a disease akin to rabies.
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I have already shown that Churchill did indeed refer to Islam as a religion. How many more times do I need to post this?
In “The River War”, from 1899, he wrote:
“Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”
“The religion” refers to Islam. Yes, he was able to both consider Islam to be a religion and to compare it to rabies (hydrophobia)–in the same piece, in fact.
Your idea that every religion must ergo be benignant is not historically accurate. As I have also noted, there have been malignant religions before, including the worship of Baal and the faith of the Aztecs, both of which involved human sacrifice.
The implication that if Islam were somehow declassified as a religion in Dar-al-Harb that it would magically cease to be a threat does not appear to have any basis.
Terry Gain says
GI
Thank you. Given the current respect afforded to Islam as a religion Jefferson and Churchill might have a different opinion today. In any event, our consideration of the matter should not be bound by their opinions but should be based on the realities of our current situation where the House couldn’t pass a completely warranted straightforward anti-Semitism resolution without also condemning Islamophobia (which is code for criticism of Islam).
gravenimage says
Thank you, Terry.
I never said that we should be bound by all of the opinions of Jefferson and Churchill–both had failings, certainly–although the both knew quite a bit about facing down injustice and building good and equitable societies.
i don’t believe that Congress was unable to pass a straightforward bill against antisemitism because Islam is considered a religion, though–in that case, why no riders against Hindu-phobia, Buddhism-phobia, et al? This has more to do with “political correctness”, I believe, than it does acknowledging that Islam fits the definition of a religion.
somehistory says
G,
It is obvious that Terry Gain has never really looked at the meaning of the word “religion.”
It’s much like many other words in the English language.
There are advertisements for a company called “Quality…..”. They don’t put what level of “quality” in their ads, but expect everyone to understand they are not saying their company does poor quality work, but making a claim for good or fine quality.
Religion is a word that needs a qualifier…just like the word quality needs a qualifier if there is any question. That, of course, means it can be an evil one, as you have pointed out many times. The word “religion” does not, by itself, proclaim what, if any, good is found therein.
But, I believe your rational arguments, using ba’al and the Aztecs as examples of evil religions is falling on deaf ears where TG is concerned.
If there were believers of the religions of molech, ba’al, or Aztec human sacrifice present in the U.S. today, they would be recognized as religions, but…hopefully…not allowed to fully practice as they used to do. Just as satanists are not allowed to practice animal sacrifices as they may wish, but are recognized as a religion.
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gravenimage says
Yes–not all religions are good.
The definition of “religion” is actually quite simple and broad:
Definition of religion
1a : the state of a religious
a nun in her 20th year of religion
b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
This says nothing about any individual religion being true or good.
I do think that many of us generally consider religions to be good–but this is hardly universal.
Terry Gain says
Somehiistory
It is obvious that Terry Gain has never really looked at the meaning of the word “religion.”
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You think I don’t know that the conventional view is that Islam is a religion?
It’s obvious that you don’t understand that so long as Islam is regarded as a religion rather than a totalitarian political ideology, Islam will be immune from the scrutiny and criticism that are necessary if America is going to be in a position to take the measures needed to resist the conquest.
There is no appetite in America for the use of qualifiers when it comes to Islam. Once you concede that Islam is a religion, you’ve lost.
Like Wellington you are approaching this matter as if it is a philosophical issue rather than a strategic one.
gravenimage says
Of course this is strategic.
The idea that you can somehow get Islam declared a non-religion and all our problems will be over is both baseless and a non-starter.
somehistory says
Terry Gain
What is “obvious” …you have an incorrect concept of law and how it is applied in the U.S.
In the law are two parts: thought of crime and action of crime. As long as a group of people only “think” of things, they are not breaking laws. Once they begin to act on their thinking, their actions can be addressed, and their thoughts used in Court.
If you, Terry Gain…wanted to force people to see things your way…and you argue the same points over and over…one might conclude you have a “religious zeal” for such. But, you have not committed a crime with your thinking.
islam is the same…although the thoughts moslims have and express through words are evil. Once they act on those thoughts…bombing a church, blowing up a school, running over people in their cars….they can then be addressed. As long as they ***say**** their beliefs are “religious* they have the same protections as the rest of the population. Any thing they do that crosses the line of what is legal, they can be arrested. If the government gets to a point where they make certain laws that fit certain actions…everyone professing a religion…but that only really is against moslims, then it will be easier to see a light.
BTW, as an example of this, back in the 40’s and stretching into the 70’s, there were “laws” in some jurisdictions that targeted Jehovah’s Witnesses specifically. In the 40’s, some of their religious books were banned by the Federal government. In those years, some were imprisoned for having the books, writing those books, etc. (I had friends who were jailed for going about talking to their neighbors under those laws.)
In the 70’s, in some cities, they were prevented from going ‘house to house’ unless they bought a business permit. That was found by the Court to be illegal. But, for a time…years…they were arrested for doing it without buying a permit.
There are ways and means without trying to make islam a “non religion” religion.
But, I don’t expect you to understand this point. You haven’t so far. And facts have been presented to you on several threads.
CRUSADER says
Tommy Robinson refers to Islam as a religion in the way Scientology is a religion.
Terry Gain says
Yes, neither is.
gravenimage says
By virtually every yardstick Scientology is also a religion. It is not one I like–although it is not as malignant as is Islam. Just saying that any faith you don’t like is not a religion does not make it so, though.
CRUSADER says
To Wellington’s and Graven’s points….
As for Jefferson and Churchill on Islam, they learned about it from their experiences, and they’d certainly come to join the bandwagon of Robert Spencer, Tommy Robinson, Steven Emerson,
John Guandolo, Andrew McCarthy, Brigitte Gabriel, and many laudable other heroes of Western values in extinguishing Islam’s evil nature and implementation.
Islam would still have to be parsed as an EVIL ideology, for the parts that can be distinguished as such, and that is how Seb Gorka and Bill Warner think that it can get defeated. Also RICO could dry up money flows.
gravenimage says
+1
abad says
What you don’t hear about North Dakota in the news (sounds like this Muslima is from Somalia, as usual)
https://progressive.org/magazine/the-refugees-of-north-dakota/
gravenimage says
Yes–Muslim invasion is a problem almost everywhere.
Max says
We shoud be thankful that their IQ is inversely proportional to their aggressiveness
Terry Gain says
gravenimage says
Mar 12, 2019 at 6:42 pm
Actually–as I have noted now many times–people defended against Islam very well for centuries. Your claim that this cannot be done unless everyone somehow ceases to think of Islam as an evil religion is simply not borne out by history.
Charles Martel, Jon Sobieski, Thomas Jefferson, and Winston Churchill did not somehow go easy on Islam because they considered it an evil religion.
Wellington says
Mar 12, 2019 at 7:10 pm
Well and accurately stated, gravenimage.
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Good grief Wellington. I like GI and agree with most of her opinions but this one is just silly. Do you think Islam is going to invade the United States with armies as it invaded France and Europe when defeated by Martel and Sobieski? Seriously?
Islam will continue to do what it has done in the recent past. Legal immigration, pretending that Islam is benign and its opponents are bigots, the further indoctrination of a naive public, law fare and the election of Democrats and more Muslim immigration and promotion of Sharia Law, with the odd terrorist attack just to keep the people in line.
Suggesting that replication of the heroism of Martel and Sobieski would be of any help to us today in opposing the advance of Islam is truly bizarre.
Wellington says
I have never once here at JW over the course of more than a decade, Terry, even implied, let along explicitly stated, that Islam would invade the West militarily. In fact, Muslim nations over the course of the past century (actually even longer) have demonstrated their complete ineptness militarily. No, Islam means to conquer us by way of stealth or sheer terrorism or both. And this is why, in part, I want Islam looked upon as an EVIL RELIGION. Thereafter, it should, could, be treated as Neo-Nazism, Marxism, anarchism, Satanism, Scientology, et al. ought to be, i.e., legal, but quite worthy of scorn, ostracism, ridicule, AND prohibition of followers of such loser ideologies, be they secular or religious ideologies, from immigrating to America.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact and proper knowledge and common sense should guide judges, legislators, et al. in this direction. Not there yet and going on and on and on about how Islam is not a religion would still leave it a protected belief system just as, say, Nazism is. It’s the iniquity, Terry, which is key, as I have tried to convey to you innumerable times, and not the status.
Terry Gain says
Wellington
You approved of GI’s absurd claim that we can defeat Islam the same way it was defeated by Martel and Sobieski – by force of arms.
You want Islam looked at as an evil religion – that is protected by the First Amendment even if its core tenets deny First Amendment protection to everyone who is not a Muslim and to Muslims who have left or want to leave Islam.
Good luck with that approach. It will never work on a country which values freedom of religion. The video I posted of Piers Morgan is instructive (even though he’s a Brit). He took the position that it is illegitimate to even question someone’s faith. He’s wrong but he’s in a clear majority.
America will not be able to defend itself against Islam unless it understands that Islam is a totalitarian political ideology (with irrational religious aspects). America will not get to the needed ban on Muslim immigration so long as Islam is considered a religion. You can’t treat such a large religion with scorn. You can’t even tell the truth about it. Your approach isn’t working.
gravenimage says
Good grief Wellington. I like GI and agree with most of her opinions but this one is just silly.
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Thank you–I think.
More:
Do you think Islam is going to invade the United States with armies as it invaded France and Europe when defeated by Martel and Sobieski? Seriously?
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No one is saying that we should be strapping on chain mail. But I *do* think it is important for us to know that we have defended against Islam before–and have done so successfully.
In the same way I often bring up our fight–and victory–against Fascism. That doesn’t mean that I think we are going to be breaking the flying fortresses out of mothballs–just that we have faced down evil in living memory.
Of course, every fight needs different tactics–but that doesn’t mean that prior victories are hence meaningless ans should be forgotten.
More:
Islam will continue to do what it has done in the recent past. Legal immigration, pretending that Islam is benign and its opponents are bigots, the further indoctrination of a naive public, law fare and the election of Democrats and more Muslim immigration and promotion of Sharia Law, with the odd terrorist attack just to keep the people in line.
Suggesting that replication of the heroism of Martel and Sobieski would be of any help to us today in opposing the advance of Islam is truly bizarre.
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Robert Spencer is brave. Pamela Geller is brave. Tommy Robinson is brave.
We still need heroes, even if they are not wielding battle axes at the moment.
gravenimage says
Boromir’s Horn, I have a great deal of respect for both Wellington and for Terry Gain–the are both staunch Anti-Jihadists.
The only issue I have ever disagreed with Terry Gain on is the idea that Islam is not a religion, and that if we somehow get it declared a non-religion that our problems will be over.
We are all working out strategies for how to deal with the Jihad threat. Disagreements can be handled with respect. I hope I am doing so here.
gravenimage says
they are both
CRUSADER says
How do we know ultimately there isn’t to be a battle?
Book of Revelation points to this!
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somehistory says
CRUSADER
Of course there will be a “battle.” The most significant and largest one ever fought. The War of Armageddon.
But, most do not realize this is not just a war of human army against human army. It is to be a war fought by heavenly forces, Jesus and His angels against God’s enemies, satan and his demons. Some humans will be killed by this war, but no innocent ones…there will be no “collateral damage.”
And God has a much different definition of “innocent” than do moslims. God’s is the definition to accept as the Right one.
Since this has never happened before, most people don’t understand that it will. The word “Armageddon” has been used for so many things…snow storms, science fiction movies, etc….because of the scene described in Revelation. It isn’t something to fear, however; it is something that will bring about the greatest good for mankind.
CRUSADER says
AMEN
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jus wundrin says
I lived in Grand Forks once. Friendly people who would do anything to help you out. How many other muslims are living there thanks to the Lutheran refugee group? Have they built a mosque yet to show the infidels who is in charge? Sad to see that stain of evil take root there.
Michael Copeland says
The Lutheran refugee group are PAID CONTRACTORS of the Federal Government.
The US taxpayers are funding this “re-settlement, that is, their own displacement and eventual replacement.
No Muzzies Here says
The biggest tragedy of our times is that places like North Dakota are infested with individuals who totally reject the principles of the US Constitution, all the time willingly accepting the generous benefits that American suckers are giving them.
Pancake rachel corrie says
Well duh thats what muslims do …what do americans think …theyre going to assimilate??? Lol
gravenimage says
Ugly user name.
Michael says
Not to long ago a muslim refugee drove into the Grand Forks Walmart Intentional. Videos proved it, but the “fire department” not the police said it was mechanical failure. They were afraid of being labeled. Grand Forks is in the top 25 communities of a “Welcome community” program which provides grant money to these communities. I am fortunate to talk with residence of Grand Forks and I have documented negative experiences with these refugees. A local gas station give gas vouchers to refugees. All the rental credit vouchers go to the refugees, locals SOL. Grand Forks Housing had to install a barriers in the building to protect employees from hostile refugee renters. Northland Technical College offer free classes to refugees. Businesses putting in prayer rooms. Grand Forks Global Friends Coalition got a grant for $650,000 for drivers educations for refugees and also for soccer in school for refugees. Grand Forks transportation uses city owned vans to take them to and from the local YMCA. One car dealer with a store in Grand Forks, ND and East Grand Forks, MN has proof one refugee has a ND drivers license and MN driver license when he came in to by a car. So I’m guessing he is getting benefits from both states. Renters/customers are being threatened, I was one in the Walmart by a muslim greeter. Grand Forks now has two mosques and East Grand Forks just got its second one. This is just a few that I documented.