A tweet from Ilhan Omar to her “sister” Rashida Tlaib right after the elections:
Congratulations to my sister @RashidaTlaib on your victory!
I cannot wait to serve with you, inshallah. ??
— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) November 7, 2018
Why is Rashida Ilhan’s “sister”? And why was it that Ilhan Omar “cannot wait” to serve with her? Because they are both Muslims. That’s enough to make them “sisters.” That’s more than enough.
Ilhan Omar, one of the first two Muslim women elected to the U.S. Congress, began after her election by treating her audience at her victory speech to a dance performance by fellow Somali-Americans, before giving the universal Islamic greeting with which her victory speech began.
“As-salaam aleikum,” the Democrat said to a crowded room of supporters during her victory party in Minneapolis, using an Islamic phrase that means “Peace be upon you.”
“Wa aleikum salaam,” the crowd immediately replied, which means “and upon you be peace.”
After the exchange, which echoes the way millions of American Muslims greet each other every day, Omar offered her gratitude to God.
“Alhamdulillah,” Omar said three times, a phrase that translates to “all praise to God.”
Hearing that, her supporters erupted in cheers.
Omar’s win in Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District means Congress will soon have its first hijab-wearing member, its first refugee and its first Somali-American.
The common Islamic phrases in Omar’s speech were a poignant moment for many American Muslims ― especially after an election cycle filled with Islamophobic attacks against Muslim candidates running for election.
Hearing Omar use the Islamic phrases in the acceptance speech felt affirming, authentic and relatable, Margaret Hill, managing director of the Muslim Anti-Racism Collaborative, told HuffPost.
“For any Muslim who draws on their faith for strength, these are natural phrases,” Hill said. “They are everyday phrases. I see a Muslim, I give them that greeting. I often say it when I address a crowd.”
Muslims’ practice of exchanging blessings upon meeting is rooted in Islamic scriptures.
It’s also not at all uncommon for Christian politicians to use religious language to give thanks, with phrases like, “praise God,” and “to God be the glory.”
Hill said that saying “Alhamdulillah” is an act of humility for Muslims.
“We don’t bat an [eye] when Christians reference their faith in victory speeches, in moments of silence, or opening prayers,” Hill said. “If we as Muslims are questioned for using phrases which are part of our daily life, then that speaks a lot to the climate of anti-Muslim bigotry.”
But these phrases deserve to be questioned. “As salaam aleikum” is a phrase uttered by Muslims to other Muslims; it is not ordinarily meant to be addressed to non-Muslims. And the phrase “alhamdulillah,” which means “praise be to Allah,” is an example of Islam’s inshallah-fatalism: praising Allah for whatever Allah wills, for Allah Knows Best.
Hearing Omar open her acceptance speech by wishing blessings to her supporters and thanking God is “no different than hearing other members of Congress or public figures thank God for their successes,” Hoda Hawa, director of policy and advocacy at the Muslim Public Affairs Council, told HuffPost.
It’s very different. Does Hoda Hawa know many Christian “members of Congress” who send greetings, but only to their fellow Christians, as Ilhan Omar was doing when she greeted only fellow Muslims with her “as-salaam aleikum”? And how many “Christian politicians” nowadays thank not their families, supporters, party, but God (“praise be to God”) for their electoral successes?
Hawa said Omar’s election ensures that diverse American communities are represented in Congress.
There have already been two Muslim members of Congress; now there are three: Andre Carson, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar, who ran for the seat being vacated by the first Muslim member of the House, Keith Ellison. But there is one “American community” that is “not represented in Congress” today at all — the Christian refugees from Muslim lands. These refugees, mainly from Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Pakistan, have been on the receiving end of Islamic intolerance. Their experience of Islam, and understanding of the Jihad, need to be heard in Congress. Perhaps in 2020 there will be such a candidate.
“Her presence is an inspiration for young American Muslims who seek to become more politically engaged,” [Hoda Hawa] told HuffPost.
Slate reporter Aymann Ismail wrote in a post that he felt “transported” after hearing Omar use the Islamic phrases.
“As the child of Muslim immigrants myself, for years, every vote I cast for a national candidate felt mostly like a vote against whoever I thought was more likely to stoke hatred against Americans like me,” Ismail wrote.
This self-pitying victimization — this claim of anxiety about which candidate was more likely “to stoke hatred against Americans like me” — infuriates, especially because there has been almost no such “stoking of hatred against Americans” like Aymann Ismail, that is, Muslims. The mainstream media largely support Islam and Muslims, labeling sober islamocritics as islamophobes, and helping to keep the contents of the Qur’an and Hadith more or less under wraps, lest knowledge of their contents lead to a widespread revulsion with Islam. That media has gone into overdrive in its celebrating the victories of the “first two Muslim women to have been elected to Congress.”
“In Omar, I see a congresswoman who not only sees the world the way I do, but whose presence alone will remind Congress that I too am American, and so are all American Muslims.”
How does Aymann Ismail know that Ilhan Omar “sees the world the way” he does? Because they are both Muslims, and for him that shared identity effaces all other differences. And notice his allusion to the (non-existent) mistreatment of Muslims who, he claims, have hitherto not been recognized as real Americans, but who now, thanks to Omar’s victory, everyone in Congress will be reminded that we Muslims are Americans, too. But why does Aymann Ismail think anyone in Congress needs to be reminded that Muslims are “American citizens too”? They already have had Keith Ellison and Andre Carson as fellow members of the House, the former having served for more than ten years. Surely that’s enough of a reminder that Muslims “are American citizens too.”
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
She’s known to be a felon, but an unprosecuted one. Puts her right up there with Hillary and several other globo-socialists. A true prerogate, and a triple marker: 1) a woman, 2) a racial minority and 3) a member of a religious minority. That’s power in this era of identity politics. Imagine that, a powerful Moslem in Congress.
They a piling up in Congress, and this will have an effect. Out of the shadows and in front of the cameras, these new Moslems of American democracy have power and will wield it. And it won’t be wielded for women’s rights, which are already guaranteed. It’ll be wielded for Moslem rights, which seek to destroy freedom and democracy, and these “rights” were already nearly guaranteed. Now they’re nearly guaranteed.
christianblood says
Somalis are the worst of worst when it comes to followers of islam. They are soooo hateful to Christians that they even dig out the graves of long-dead Christians and burn their ashes to dust! According to Open Doors, Somalia is the most dangerous to be a Christian in the Islamic world, even more dangerous than Saudi Arabia! Christians in Somalia are hunted down and burned alive, beheaded and executed by shootings, even by their family members! The graphic video below is a good example of how Somali muslims treat the tiny Christian minority in Somalia and I have NO doubt this Islamist/Somali congress woman supports this wholeheartedly! She would be cheering if she was present at the execution of this young Somali Christian!
https://somalisforjesus.blogspot.com/2009/01/mansur-mohamed-sfj-martyr-of-year-2009.html
mortimer says
I am thoroughly SICKENED BY YOUR VICIOUS and MOSTLY UNINFORMED BIGOTRY, CB. You are a big GASBAG and harmful. Your ideation is GENOCIDAL. You are a primitive savage.
jasmine says
Please refute with facts and don’t attack the messenger.
christianblood says
jasmine posted
(…Please refute with facts and don’t attack the messenger…)
Good point, Jasmine!
Probably this idiot didn’t take his meds today!
BTW, in another comment a few months ago, this same entity spoke about how he didn’t like talking about persecution of Christians and he sort of suggested to me to drop it! Heck, this shit even told me to drop my “Christianblood” moniker last year!
You wana see genocidal savages in action, idiot?
Watch the beheading video of the Somali Christian youth above!
And also, enjoy the march of the Holy Cross below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11-37Me_a4
KWJ says
Mortimer, he didn’t say anything genocidal, he was talking about Somalians that would like to Genocide Christians. You might think of Sudan too regarding genocidal desires. Oh, and remember Idi Amin?
That’s also besides toxic Pakistan and Egyptians trashing Christian graves, as well as Palestinians vandalizing old Jewish graves. Churches in Serbia…
It is obvious that Islam is the most intolerant religion covering a swath of predominantly Muslim countries. Even in Malaysia non-Muslims don’t have all the rights Muslims have.
It’s thoroughly disgusting and for Muslims to throw pity parties is pathetic…how often do you hear them in the US talk about these systemic and endemic issues while they are so interested in Palestine.
Also, doesn’t this Somalian represent a district that also has non-Muslims? Did she not say the same in English? No?
It’s all about them. They invite their so-called Islamophobia and exhibit no self-awareness of it. It’s one reason they have sh*thole countries such as Somalia.
Mark Swan says
Ol’ christianblood Knows Full Well Mortimer is NO IDIOT. He was commenting
on christianblood’s thought forming process—that was Mortimer’s take on it.
gravenimage says
I am not always in agreement with christianblood, as most here know–when, for instance, he is calling for Muslims to conquer and destroy the West.
But Mortimer, he is not wrong here–saying that Somali Muslims murderously persecute Christians is a simple fact. And pointing out that Somali Muslims as a whole are genocidal towards Christians is not itself genocidal. This is just projection.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely gravenimage, We have witnessed, on international news feeds,
Somalis in Mogadishu, dragging Soldiers bodies through the street—among
the cheering crowds of Citizens—the name Somali seems synonymous with
cruelty after that.
christianblood says
KWJ
+1
christianblood says
Paul J
+1
christianblood says
Mark Swan
Somali are very hostile and barbaric savages and it is mainly because they take Islam seriously! About a year ago, they set up a huge truck bomb in a market place in Mogadishu killing 570 and wounding hundreds of their own people on the spot. It was the largest single islamic terror attack in history after the 9/11 attacks. You also remember singling out 148 Christian students and executing them in university campus in Kenya?
christianblood says
gravenimage
I wouldn’t waste time the crazed rantings of the lunatic (mortimer), Graven!
A few years ago I attended a Church that invited two Somali Christians to speak about persecution of Christians in Somalia. It was a man and a woman, the man had obvious, life-altering trauma on his body and each spoke about an hour through a translator relating the life of Christians in Somalia and the horrible persecution they have to go through daily!
Graven, I tell you I heard that night some horrific and extremely painful stories that no one can imagine anywhere in the world! I mean, it is not just killings and and beheadings, I heard more than that! One of them, related a Somali underground pastor (an ex-muslim) whose house was searched by islamists who were trying to kill him and after realizing he is not there and that he got away before they got there, they grabbed three young sons of the Somali pastor and beheaded them all outside of the pastors home while the mother watched! These are true stories Graven and you can even google them and look them up. And as I said above, Open Doors, which is an important Christian organization that documents persecution of Christians in the Islamic world have called Somalia repeatedly the most dangerous country in the Islamic for Christians.
abad says
OK I remember when Moslem Somalis first started coming here in the 1980’s, then the majority of them came duing the early 1990’s when George H. W. Bush and Bll Clinton were president.
These Moslems Somalis used the civil war in their home country as an excuse to come here, instead of staying there and fighting.
Shades of Syria.
Like other Moslems elsewhere in the world, they breed like roaches, which explains the rapid growth of their community in Minnesota.
It looks like that civil war in Somalia has been over since 2012 and few have returned to that country to help rebuild it.
Yet they prefer to stay here and build their no-go zones using American tax dollars.
Looks more like a slow takeover of the United States by Moslems to me.
Isabella van der westhuizen says
You will regret taking in Muslims into your wonderful country
They wil only bring problems
The USA used to be a Christian country
abad says
Paul J, at least we still have private ownership of guns though Moslems in the USA as well as the liberal elite want to confiscate the right to private ownership of guns (Second Amendment Right). I feel sorry for you disarmed folks in Australia.
But we all agree that Moslems simply do not belong anywhere in the western world. They should all be rounded up and deported back to their Moslem-majority home nations.
Indiana Tom says
I see alarmed pig farmer and I are on the same wavelength.
Tekyo Pantzov says
How to create a sh*thole country
Encourage Muslim immigration
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Oh boy Sen. Dick Durbin D-IL is gonna be upset with you. Not just about the sh*thole country thing, but the ding on Moslems. Dick and his fellow globo-socialists (aka Dems) need the loyal voting bloc, not to mention the publicity of Moslems as perpetual victims.
PRCS says
APF:
Omar snapped at (a reporter?) that 70% of her constituents are non-Muslim. What’s the general consensus of those filthy kuffar: Did THEY vote for her? Did they vote for someone else? Did they just not vote in numbers enough to prevent her election? Other?
ANoniMouse says
MN’s 5th has always been heavily Democratic. Through the years we’ve been trying to vote out Ellison, but with the largest Somali community outside of Somalia plus non-Muslim Dems in the district, it does not matter if “70% of her constituents are non-Muslim”. The 70% mostly would, and have, voted for her.
Indiana Tom says
Omar snapped at (a reporter?) that 70% of her constituents are non-Muslim.
Red Green Axis.
Kilfincelt says
Are these Muslim politicians real Americans? Or are they soldiers of Islam who want to infiltrate our government to turn our country into an Islamic country? I think the latter.
Any of these people who took their oath office in which they swore to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights on the Koran should be immediately impeached. The reason is simple. The Koran has any number of verses which are contrary to the rights expressed in our Constitution and its amendments. That means that these people lied when they took the oath of office and are not fit for office. These people can not serve two masters that have ideals that contradict each other.
Lu says
Slow subversion of our Free Republic continues: how long before We the People realize that we must protect her, fight for her and even die for her – as she is the only free land there is … and we are the only free nation, thus far, for how long.
CogitoErgoSum says
At some point these Muslims who took the oath of office with their hand upon the Quran will have to decide whether to defend the Constitution or the Quran. Omar’s prompting of the rule change concerning head coverings in Congress shows where her ultimate allegiance lies. If she loves Allah, the Quran and Muhammad she will do all she can to see that the laws of the land are changed so that eventually all currently free men, women and children prostrate themselves in submission to Allah — or pay a price if they do not.
Terry Gay says
“At some point”? She swore her oath of office on the Islamic War Manual.
Terry Gain says
They swore their oath of office on the Muslim War Manual that instructs them that they are the best of people and should not make friends with Christians and Jews. Haven’t they clearly made a choice between the Constitution and Sharia.
boakai ngombu says
we’ll know soon enough when there is a problem with seating arrangements in both houses of Congress … ‘midst other identity issues
The Crusader says
She’s a soldier of Islam.
gravenimage says
Agree with Terry.
PRCS says
As there’s no requirement to take that oath with a hand on anything, the real issue is this:
The oath is to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
However:
Qur’an 9:29 says Fight those …….who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful
Muslim “representatives” have a decision to make.
mortimer says
Good question from Kilfincelt … ‘are they real Americans?’ No. They are like Major Dr Nidal Hasan MD the traitor who murdered US soldier in a clinic.
They lied when they promised to defend the constitution… they want to destroy the constitution.
gravenimage says
All true, Mortimer.
abad says
Kilfincelt, please see my above post about the history of Moslem Somalis in the USA.
Between Omar and Tlaib I’d have to say yes, the bulk of these Moslem Somalis came to the USA when Bill Clinton was president.
Our rights have been slowly eroding since then, the liberal elite destroying free speech, free thought (the way they teach students in government schools what to think, not how to think) etc.
President Trump has been trying to preserve those above named rights, something which the liberal elite cannot tolerate.
Indiana Tom says
Are these Muslim politicians real Americans? No. Or are they soldiers of Islam who want to infiltrate our government to turn our country into an Islamic country? Yes.
But most Democraps and RINOs are about as bad.
Manuek 2 Paleologus says
To begin a term in the Congress by taking an oath on the Quran it is a grave error. This should not be accepted by the lawmakers. What kind of serving the interests of the Americans is this? She just showed her true color using profanity against POTUS. Having congresspeople taking oath on the Quran is preposterous, not lawful and it these are traitors.
Sam says
I just want to throw up seeing these ignorant, America hating cult members gaining power in infidel USA.
I retired last year and I had never imagined up to last 20 years of my life that I would see Islam and communism being discussed as viable alternative to freedom. NUTS!
Rarely says
Her election may be a mixed blessing especially if she continues with her usual rhetoric. The hatred and rage that seem to define her may be fine for the large Somali population in Minneapolis but may help to open the eyes and ears of many non-muslims who have been blind and deaf. Overt bigots tend to loose steam and are easily discredited. Wishful thinking perhaps but only time will tell.
Nothing is to be gained by getting into a pissing contest with a skunk. After all no one is going to change her mind and her agenda will eventually expose her for what she is. Hopefully sooner rather than later..
James Lincoln says
Rarely,
I think that you may be onto something…
What plays well in Minneapolis may not play so well with the general US population.
Let’s hope that she exposes Islam for what it is – and the general population wakes up.
gravenimage says
I hope you are right, Rarely–and that this does not just normalize such viciousness.
cephash says
I’m no fan of the creeping Islamicization of the West; and definitely not a fan of Ilhan Omar. However, how many American Christian politicians have given thanks to God (the real one) for winning an election? Their name is Legion. If thanking one’s deities for success was all there was to these Muslim politicians, it wouldn’t faze me a bit. The problem is, there’s a YUUUUUUUUUGE (nod to Pres. Trump) difference between taking the Gospel seriously and taking the Qur’an seriously.
mortimer says
THEY ARE TWO ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS PLANNING TO TAKE OVER THE US for Islam.
*WHAT IF* two OTHER SUPREMACISTS (such as 2 KKK members of congress) said, ‘I look forward to working with my KKK BROTHER.’
Americans should watch these two ANGRY SUPREMACISTS VERY CLOSESLY. They speak as if they were elected to Islamize the US.
Kay says
What is the best way to watch them? I’m not trusting MSM to be aware or truthful.
Logic&Reason says
The Muslim Brotherhood has figured out that the face needed to open wide the political gates is the face of a Muslim woman….who’s standing up to the evil, rich, white oppressors.
Sickens me.
Little does the Left know that these women will be following the orders of a man–a perfect, global supremacist thug featured exclusively in the book they used for swearing allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, laws, and rights.
mortimer says
ETHICAL DUALISM in Islam means that there is a FIRST-CLASS way to treat Muslims and a SECOND-CLASS (all the way down to 7th- or 8th-class) way to treat all the NON-MUSLIMS.
These 2 Muslims in congress believe that KAFIRS are worthless or harmful and should not be allowed to make decisions that affect Muslims. They have DUAL ETHICS.
Christians and Jews in congress believe in UNITARY ETHICS that apply UNIVERSALLY to ALL OF HUMANITY.
That is the difference.
Terry Gain says
Muslims want to impose Sharia Law, yet they claim that those who oppose them are Islamophobic.
Wellington says
How ironic (and disturbing) these two Buttlimas are serving in a legislature created by a constitution that not only the Islamic could never have created on its own but which constitution, per Islamthink, is unholy and must someday be replaced with Sharia as the law of the land. Their election to the House of Representatives repulses me as it should anyone who cherishes freedom and truly knows what Mohammedanism intends for us all.
somehistory says
I do believe that we will get really, really, really tired of hearing from her and her fellow moslim in the days to come. I’m really tired already.
Logic&Reason says
And tired of hearing the cheerleading/apologist MSM…..Muslim-Sympathetic-Media.
somehistory says
“We don’t bat an [eye] when Christians reference their faith in victory speeches, in moments of silence, or opening prayers,”
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Maybe they don’t “bat eyes”…but they make it known, through c.a.i.r. and others that it is unacceptable. I recently read an article about c.a.i.r. demanding that all references to the Confederacy be destroyed…all statutes, all street and school names..all of the history. The majority of moslims weren’t born here, their parents weren’t born here, but they want to do away with a history that had nothing to do with them, while claiming that islam and moslims were here “from the beginning.” They were not here, “from the beginning”…but they were providing the slaves that were sold to people who were here. And some have been found in this century, owning slaves.
They use the freedoms granted to take them away from others.
She is from the same origins as the cop who murdered the young woman wearing pj’s. He was glorified as the “first moslim police officer” in his community. She is the “first…yada, yada…” from the same area. She will be trying to make laws for her ilk to gain further in the goals of islam.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
In fairness, yes Ilhan Omar was elected despite her apparent felony, but let’s remember that non-prosecution of apparent felonies is commonplace now, not just an exclusive gift to Moslems. Here’s a quick sampler of apparent felons:
Hillary
Samantha Power
John Brennan
James Clapper
Jim Comey
Ron Rosenstein
Peter Strzok
Lisa Page
Bruce Ohr
Lois Lerner
… and so many more.
Note here that there’s not a Moslem in the bunch. Felons all and not a prosecution in the offing. So felony in subversion of democracy is pan-theistic, extending even to atheist progressives.
But, one stickler here is that all of the above worked for Barack Hussein Obama who, based on his forged birth certificate, was almost certainly born in Kenya, a Moslem nation, and raised in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Moslem nation. So at the least Barack Hussein is sympathetic to Moslems and Islam.
So welcome to the club, Rep. Ilhan Omar D-MN. You crazy felon you.
Indiana Tom says
I dunno where Obonzo was hatched, but based on his education, I would say the it was at least a true closet Muslim.
WPM says
John Brennan former head of the CIA under Obama is a convert to Islam .
Indiana Tom says
I don’t know for sure if he is or not, but for all practical purposes he might as well be.
dan christensen says
It isn’t necessary to have muslim acquaintances in order to be unhappy, to know one is enough.
There’s one way to find out if a muslim is honest – ask him/her. If he/she says, ‘Yes’, you know he/she is a crook.
lebel says
” And how many “Christian politicians” nowadays thank not their families, supporters, party, but God (“praise be to God”) for their electoral successes?”
quick google search (2 min)
https://www.scottwalker.com/press_release/statement-from-scott-walker-on-results-of-governors-race/
http://metrovoicenews.com/candidate-saundra-mcdowell-thanks-god-after-losing/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122568&page=1
I know you want to sharpen contradictions so that the Muslim is always that Other who is always evil no matter what he/she does. I get that, but you need to at least check your facts.
CogitoErgoSum says
I don’t get your point. Christians tend to thank their god and Muslims tend to thank theirs. The distinction lies with what each particular god requires a human being to do while living in this world in order to remain in good standing with the particular god. The books considered holy by a religion should reveal to all what the requirements are for leading a life deserving of an eternal reward. Have you read the Quran and the Bible (actually a book of books) both and come away with the belief that both books set forth the same requirements and make the same demands on all those who read them? What is good and what is evil is determined by each god. Have you read both books and now believe that the god represented in each book is the same god? Have you concluded that the method for the determination of what is good and what is evil is the same in both books. Do you believe the god presented in each book is one and the same god?
My conclusion is that the books are contradictory to each other and that completely different ideas of right and wrong, good and evil are set forth in each book. The followers of one book are destined for persecution in this world and the followers of the other book are destined to be the persecutors of the “others.”
lebel says
“Have you read the Quran and the Bible (actually a book of books) both and come away with the belief that both books set forth the same requirements and make the same demands on all those who read them?”
Yes, particularly the old Testament and the Quran. Very similar.
It’s fascinating to witness a jihadwatcher who is outraged by all the horrible stuff in the Quran but not bat an eye when presented with the same stuff from the old Testament. I mean it, it’s amazing, and it happens all the time here.
Wellington says
“Yes, particularly the old Testament and the Quran. Very similar.”
No they’re not, lebel, and it is ignorance on your part or disingenuousness to assert that they are.
Here’s why: Much in the Old Testament is descriptive while all that is in the Koran is prescriptive. This is why, duh, no Orthodox rabbi wants to still stone to death an adulteress but why so many Muslims still do.
Either learn this, lebel, or quit lying. BTW, I am no fan of the violence condoned in the OT, but PRECISELY because it is so often times only descriptive it poses no threat in our time, contra the most putrid religious work of all time, i.e., the Koran. Over 34,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11 versus almost zero Jewish or Christian terrorist attacks in the name of Judaism or Christianity over the same time period “tends” to prove my overall point here.
What the hell proves your overall point? Yeah, shatter me, lebel, and tell me why my indictment of what I consider your stupid and deceitful comparison between the Old Testament and the Koran is flawed and you correct. Your turn.
CogitoErgoSum says
As I mentioned, the Bible is actually a book of books. I see the New Testament as being the essential conclusion to the story concerning God’s relationship with mankind. That relationship changed over the course of human history and certain things that were required to be done by God became no longer necessary with the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus, the Christ.
Now, with the Quran, I see no conclusion to certain requirements and demands being made by Allah. The Muslims are to fight against the “others” until such people convert to Islam or are killed or agree to pay the Jizya. Can you tell me where in the Quran Allah says this fighting was supposed to end? Can you tell me on what date the jihad against the unbelievers stopped? Was it when the the last Caliph (before the current Caliph Baghdadi) died? (If so, someone needs to tell this to Baghdadi.) Something is wrong though if that is true because not all the “People of the Book” are paying the Jizya and I can understand Baghdadi’s “confusion.” No, the fight is to end at an unspecified time which has not yet arrived. The wars of the Old Testament HAVE all concluded except for the spiritual struggle that goes on within each one of us. According to the Quran the wars against the “others” will continue until all “People of the Book” are humbly submitting the Jizya to their Muslim overlords. Oh yes, that is the future that dangles before the eyes of every Christian and Jew — unless they are wearing blinders.
James says
Wellington is absolutely right on this.
The Koran presents iitself as a body of Divine revelations to a single human being over a 22-year period.
The OT, in contrast, presents itself as a national literature, formed over many centuries. One can read hundreds of pages of it, and not come across a single passage that even looks like a Divine command to kill (let alone is such a command). To make the case that the OT is full of bloodthirsty Divine commands, one has to pick out books like Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Joshua, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel. And that is pretty much it, That is parts of 7 books, out of 39. The rest of the violence in the OT consists of violence devised by human beings – the massacres carried out by Jehu and Athaliah and Elijah, are not presented as commanded by God.
The real offence of the Holy Bible seems to be, that it presents God as active in history. The Bible is full of human actions. It is not what the Koran is: a Divine monologue from on high. Therefore, it loses Brownie points with Muslims. And it aggravates the offence, by presenting God, not only as active in history, but, what is far worse, as personally taking an active part in history, as one man among others. The Bible is not the Koran. That makes it easy to reject the Bible.
The violence in the Bible is not the real problem: Islam has, in principle, no problem whatsoever with a presentation of God that shows Him commanding acts of violence. Divinely-commanded violence is totally kewl, as far as Islam is concerned. What is unkewl, is the wrong kind of Divinely-commanded violence. What is totes unkewl to the max, is that God should be presented as suffering from human violence – and that, FWIW, is why the Cross & the Crucifix are intolerable to Islam. Even though the Crucifixion is followed by the Resurrection.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum, lebel’s “point” is always the same–that Muslims are just the same as Christians and other Kuffar–and that if you object to the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law that you are just a ‘filthy Islamophobe’.
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, if he thinks Muslims are the same as Christians he contradicts Allah who says that Muslims are the best of people and Christians are the most vile of all creatures. I suppose my question to lebel now is to ask whether he thinks Christians and Muslims are equally the best or equally vile. I don’t see how that demand in the Quran that Christians be made to pay Muslims tribute with humble submission in order to remain Christians makes them equal, however.
Mark Swan says
Lebel a Muslim is not thanking God they thank Allah.
America was founded by Europeans who had rejected State
Run Religion.
This Nation developed into a very religious people without
Coercion.
Europeans watched and learned from this prosperous people,
whether or not they understood this to be so.
America helped put an end to two European wars and helped
them rebuild their lives—whether is was gratitude or envy
they did notice the great strength of such a Nation and its
People.
There is a commonality that binds Europe and America—
The arrival of so many Muslims into their lands has been noticed,
you bet these obviously different people are disturbing to all—
yet most wait and see—most hope the we are all the same
approach works—but they do doubt it—even though they
would protest to the contrary— you see Muslims who
have had this ideology of theirs forced on them,
will attempt to do the same for all others.
What could result from this is unyielding, unshakeable efforts to
restore, what many believe, is a return to Christianity—but this
will not be the Christianity of choice—it will be a mass appeal
for conformity under the label Christian unification.
Time will tell, but keep in mind, a people in crisis react by
grabbing onto what is readily available.
You see the immediate future under these conditions could
not be said to be improved.
If this takes place, you will see the Muslim World, sent reeling.
Spread out in other lands, where they should not have went,
those would be the Muslims who had better behave.
Prabh108 says
Historical Note:
Children of 10thMaster (Satguru) of Sikhi refused to utter moslem greeting: the children of 10th Master (Satguru) of Sikhi were bricked alive.
Entire Earth must be declared MoslemFreeZone.
This NewMoon day Today is commemoration of Birth of SriGuruGovindSinghSahibjiMahrajPatsahib: only due to Him does Light of Dharmic Freedom still shine brightly upon BhumiDevi, DhartiMata (planetEarth).
Prabh108
The Crusader says
The great Trojan horse is releasing it’s cargo. So who do we have to thank for this mess . The freaking DEMOCRATS of course.
gravenimage says
Alhamdulillah: For Ilhan Omar, All Praise Be To Allah For Her Victory (Part One)
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I’d call this stealth Jihad–except that it isn’t really all that stealthy…
somehistory says
If they managed to keep mum about being moslim and didn’t insist on wearing their headgear, they might be able to stealthily do a lot of damage. Any damage they manage now, will be out in the open.
There is a news article today, reporting that a. ocasio-cortez is supporting the foul-mouthed one and calling her “sis.”
The foul-mouthed one says her ‘grandmother would have said the same thing,’ and that Mr. Trump has “met his match.” Referring to herself. Arrogance on moslimoids.
lebel says
“No they’re not, lebel, and it is ignorance on your part or disingenuousness to assert that they are.
Here’s why: Much in the Old Testament is descriptive while all that is in the Koran is prescriptive. This is why, duh, no Orthodox rabbi wants to still stone to death an adulteress but why so many Muslims still do.”
They’re the same laws, it’s simply that most jews reinterpret, select what they like, ignore or are not religious. Israel is a secular state and so much of the penal code is secular (much like most Muslim countries). Incidentally that’s how most Muslims live their lives. While you’re out hunting for obscure hadiths and shoving it in their face, they look at Islam as one of many components in their life.
That changes nothing about the text. You should think of Jehova as a monster given that he ordered the killing of babies, the stoning and burning of people alive and a genocide to cleanse the holy land of non-jews.
CogitoErgoSum says
If the laws of the Old Testament are the same laws as in the Quran and people should think that the God of the Old Testament is a monster, I’d say that makes Allah a monster as well. That’s why I don’t think the New Testament should be ignored when talking about the Old Testament. The New Testament changed the way that people had been thinking about God.
lebel says
Well you can certainly make the case that the new Testament is huge improvement over the old from the point of view of current day morals. For Christians it is much easier to stick to the current NT and say that the old law no longer apply. They still have to accept that their God ordered the killing of newborns and stoning (and everything else that’s in there in black and white) but it puts one is less cognitive dissonance.
As for the Monster label, objective modern day atheists such as Sam Harris would make the claim for both the OT and Quran God but jwatchers tend to protect the OT (because it’s linked to judaism) and it makes for amusing mental gymnastics.
CogitoErgoSum says
The Old Testament is what it is. The Jesus that I call the Christ came along and taught His followers a new set of rules that included being less harsh with the punishments for breaking the old rules. But then Muhammad comes along and he tells everyone that what they think Jesus said is not really what Jesus said and the old rules and old punishments still apply. Plus, Muhammad says his is the last word on it all and nobody can change anything once Muhammad is gone. So I agree with the speech that Benedict XVI made that angered a large number of Muslims when he reminded people that the only new thing that Muhammad brought into the world was an increase in the fervor of men to go back to the ways of old. To me Jesus (the one in the Bible) is an example of progressive thinking while the word “regressive” barely comes close to describing the stone age state of mind of Muhammad. How those who describe themselves as progressive can aid and assist the spread of Islam is beyond me.
Elizabeth Thorne says
It is 2019, why do we have Imams talking about beating your wife, killing Jews, FGM? I say heads up America, here in Canada, who introduced M-103, the hate speech motion, Pakistan born, Muslim, Iqra Khalid , a member of Parliament who gave a Certificate of Appreciation to Amim El-Maoued, Public Relations Chief of Palestine House. A man who has publicly stated Israel and Hitler are the same. Maryam Monsef, born in Iran or Afghanistan, she is not sure, the Minister for The Status Women, who says “Shari’ah law fascinates her.” Omar Alghabra , MP who when he won his seat said “This is a win for Islam.” The same Omar Alghabra, who tried to introduce Shari’ah into Ontario when he was MPP. Ahmed Hussen, the man from Mogadishu, Immigration Minister who calls Canadians, names no politician should ever be allowed to call Canadians and promotes The Global Compact.
Oops I forgot, MOSQUE AND STATE ARE NOT SEPARATE.
Rose Keeling says
This IS u’r democrat party… infiltrate from within.. Wake the hell up America.. u voted these anti-American BS into our Gov…. the destruction of our country… do u not pay attention to what’s happening in the world… are u that ignorant or think if u don’t pay attention its not happening… well it is and its real…. God help us! U did this to us all and to our country! Shame on u…
thebigW says
That Huffington Post article didn’t spell the name right of that “managing director” of that Muslim organization. It’s not “Margaret Hill”, it’s “Margari Aziza Hill”
“After converting to Islam in 1993, her life experiences as a Black American woman have informed her research and writing on Islam, education, race, and gender. She has nearly a decade of teaching experiences at all levels from elementary, secondary, college level, to adult education. She has worked in education at various capacities including as substitute teacher, instructor, curriculum design, school policy, teacher training, as well as teaching assistant and teaching fellow. She taught Writing and Literature at Al-Aqsa Islamic Academy, developed instructed an Art and Literacy class for Clara Muhammad Summer Camp and worked as a Lead Teacher and Curriculum Developer at United Muslim Masjid Summer Madrasa.
She earned her bachelor’s degree in History from Santa Clara University in 2003 and master’s in History of the Middle East and Islamic Africa from Stanford University in 2006. Her research includes colonial perceptions mixed-raced identities in Northern Nigeria, anti-colonial resistance among West Africans in Sudan during the early 20th century, transformations in Islamic learning in Northern Nigeria, and International student programs at Al-Azhar and Cairo University.
She has given talks and lectures in various universities and community centers throughout the country.is an adjunct professor, blogger, editor, and freelance writer with articles published in SISTERS, Islamic Monthly, and Spice Digest. She is the Co-Founder and Managing Director of MuslimARC, the Muslim Anti-Racism Collaborative, an organization focusing on Education for Liberation.
After converting to Islam in 1993, her life experiences as a Black American woman have informed her research and writing on Islam, education, race, and gender. She has nearly a decade of teaching experiences at all levels from elementary, secondary, college level, to adult education. She has worked in education at various capacities including as substitute teacher, instructor, curriculum design, school policy, teacher training, as well as teaching assistant and teaching fellow. She taught Writing and Literature at Al-Aqsa Islamic Academy, developed instructed an Art and Literacy class for Clara Muhammad Summer Camp and worked as a Lead Teacher and Curriculum Developer at United Muslim Masjid Summer Madrasa.
She earned her bachelor’s degree in History from Santa Clara University in 2003 and master’s in History of the Middle East and Islamic Africa from Stanford University in 2006. Her research includes colonial perceptions mixed-raced identities in Northern Nigeria, anti-colonial resistance among West Africans in Sudan during the early 20th century, transformations in Islamic learning in Northern Nigeria, and International student programs at Al-Azhar and Cairo University.
She has given talks and lectures in various universities and community centers throughout the country.”
http://www.muslimarc.org/team
thebigW says
That Hufington Post article makes it sound like everybody in the room greeted Ilhan Omar back with the Islamic greeting. If you watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkehsasLpfI —- it happens at about 1 minute 55 seconds mark) it’s obvious that everybody in the room didn’t do that, but that it was probably the Somalian Muslims who were in the room (a hell of a lot from what I can tell). The other non-Muslims there were just happy to be feeling like they weren’t “racists” by smiling and supporting her.
UNCLE VLADDI says
The daughters of Caliph Barak Hussein Obamad …