It appears as if the NYPD is helping cover up what happened here. ABC News reported (as linked at Jihad Watch here): “Dermot Shea, chief of detectives for the New York City Police Department, said ‘sources’ in Virginia, where the Farea sisters had previously been living, informed investigators that the two women had been in the United States for two to three years and would ‘rather inflict harm on themselves and commit suicide than return to Saudi Arabia.'”
But how would they have duct-taped themselves together before they committed suicide?
These details point to an honor killing: “December 2017: Sisters run away and beg police not to tell mom where they were. They return back to Virginia at some stage afterwards…
August 2018: Tala is reported missing. The search is called off when police learn she is with her sister in New York City….”
An update on this story. “FIRST PICTURES: Sisters found drowned and duct-taped together had been ordered home by the Saudi government a DAY before their bodies washed up and a year after they fled to a shelter and begged police not to tell their family where they were,” by Jennifer Smith and Alana Goodman, Dailymail.com, October 31, 2018 (thanks to the Geller Report):
Police have released the first photographs of Saudi Arabian sisters who were found drowned and duct taped together in the Hudson River last week in a plea for information about their mysterious lives and murky deaths.
Tala Farea, 16, and Rotana Farea, 22, were found washed up on October 24. The sisters were living together in New York City where Rotana was studying Computer and Information Technology after recently dropping out of George Mason University in Virginia.
Their parents, Wafa’a and Abdulsalam, live in Virginia with their brothers who are 18 and 11. Abdulsalam often traveled back to Saudi Arabia for work but no information about his job has emerged.
In August, the family reported 16-year-old Tala missing after she disappeared from Virginia but the search was called off when they learned she had gone to stay with her sister in New York City.
She had recently been awarded a spot at a top private school in Saudi Arabia with a full scholarship but was desperate not to go.
It was the second time they broke off from the family.
In December last year, the pair fled to a shelter in Fairfax. The family reported them both missing.
When officers tracked them down, the sisters begged them not to tell the family where they were. What led to them returning home remains a mystery but police are focusing their investigation on the circumstances surrounding it.
Despite their repeated attempts to live independently from their parents, the family was described as ‘happy’ by Arab media outlets and were the ‘apples of their father’s eye’.
‘They were just like any one of us, they were a happy family. They were comfortable and at ease with everyone, and so the rumors that they ran away from home were beyond us. It’s impossible.
‘Their mother was naturally protective, but in no way was their household problematic for them to run away,’ they told Arab News.
They said the family was happy with Tala living with her sister who she missed dearl [sic] when she left Virginia.
‘Tala was upset for quite some time after her sister decided to continue her studies in NYC. Yes, it did cause a problem for the family as the mother had to file a missing case report to the police over her daughter’s disappearance, but the search was called off later when they found Tala was with her sister, Rotana.
‘The police told their mother that since her younger daughter was safe with an adult, it’s safe to call off the search.’
The girls only ever used Snapchat, they said, and communicated with their relatives in Saudi Arabia through it.
‘They were private and kept to themselves most of the time, but we communicated mostly via Snapchat and it wasn’t a surprise to any of us that they wouldn’t have any accounts on other social media apps,’ the unnamed family member said.
‘They were calm and always polite. All families have problems. What kind of sibling relationship would it be without fights every now and then?
TIMELINE OF SAUDI SISTERS’ LIVES AND DEATH2015: Family moves to Fairfax, Virginia from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
December 2017: Sisters run away and beg police not to tell mom where they were. They return back to Virginia at some stage afterwards
May 2018: Oldest sister attends final classes at George Mason
August 2018: Tala is reported missing. The search is called off when police learn she is with her sister in New York City.
October 17: Mother’s last known contact with the sisters, according to relatives
October 23: Mother receives call from Saudi Consulate ordering the family home because the girls have applied for political asylum
October 24: The girls bodies are found washed up in the Hudson River
‘But that didn’t push them to the edge as the Western media is portraying,’ they added.
The NYPD has not ruled anything out.
Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea said yesterday: ‘We are looking at all clues in their past life.’
The family in Virginia is yet to speak out about their disappearance despite DailyMail.com’s repeated attempts to contact their representative.
On October 23, the girls’ mother Wafa’a received a phone call from an official at the Saudi Arabian consulate who ordered the entire family to return to their home country. It was in response to an application by the two sisters for political asylum in the United States.
Police have ruled out that the pair jumped from the George Washington Bridge in a suicide pact, a theory that was initially pushed out by police, because neither body had visible signs of trauma….
CogitoErgoSum says
Now I’m beginning to wonder why the initial spin to his story wasn’t that they were murdered by an Islamophobe. It may evolve into that yet. Neither suicide nor honor killing looks good for Saudi Arabia, especially following the Khashoggi murder.
Jack says
Because their is no history this , although their is a history of honor killings
mortimer says
While living in Egypt, Nonie Darwish saw bodies floating in the Nile River. She says no one ever commented on it, because they all knew they could be next. Honor killing was well accepted in Muslim Egypt.
J D S says
Mortimer..not just in Muslim Egypt ..but in all Muslim countries and looks like maybe in America also..Islam is ruining the world and apparently very few understand this.
christianblood says
I am sure this is a case of honor-killing being covered up by the US authorities so as not to embarrass their Saudi allies! Arab girls of that age or indeed any age just DON”T commit suicide!
Ursula says
Honor killing. Girls were too westernized and wanted to stay in the US. Not compatible with the Koran.
gravenimage says
This case is indeed looking more and more like an “Honor Killing”.
But the claim that Arab girls never commit suicide is not the case.
Here’s one horrible story:
“Moroccan teen, forced to marry her rapist, commits suicide”
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/22/moroccan-teen-marriedtoherrapistcommitssuicide.html
Then there is the horrifying Muslim phenomenon of Muslims pushing women and girls to commit suicide:
“How to Avoid Honor Killing in Turkey? Honor Suicide”
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/16/world/europe/16turkey.html
And this does not just happen in Turkey–it is rife all over the Muslim world.
jule says
Its very curious: They did max out a credit card staying in high end NY hotels the last days. They were supposedly seen in a park by the river praying loudly with faces in hands opposite each other. They were not tightly bound together but loosely at waist-legs but did not jump off any bridge. They could not tape themselves in the water so had to somehow get in. How rushing or peaceful is the Hudson River waters? The bodies are already returned to Saudi and Buried in Medina. Saudi Embassy hired a lawyer to investigate and check on all the different accounts in various news media. Saudi embassy says the girls did not apply for asylum & did not call the mother, ordering anyone back. ??????? So I guess we will never know now.
MTMLA says
I read they were bound together with ducktape around their feet and their waists and they were facing each other..and they were alive when they hit the water…how woul they jump in the water with their feet bound????. It’s obvious they were murdered and the police is covering up for the criminals..the family or SA agents.
I read that several people that displease SA even though they live in London, for example…
” commit suicide” ,by jumping off the window of his/her hotel room…
Walter Sieruk says
If this wasn’t a case of those Muslim sisters committing suicide s rather having being forced to go back to that misogynistic Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia but a Muslim murder of young girls in other form of Muslim misogyny which many Muslim ,so very, inappropriately call “honor killing” is indeed a heinous evil and an affront to all the is truly and really decent honorable good and right.
If this is actually the real reason that those two girls died. it further exposes just how vicious dangerous actual hard hard non-watered down Islam reality is.
If this is what happened to those girls in New York City. the Brigitte Gabriel was 100 % right when she had written in the book THEY MUST BE STOPPED “Honor killings have also come to the West thanks to the rise of Islamic immigration.” page 176.
Indeed, they must be stopped !
Mirren10 says
I don’t think much of Dermot Shea’s detective skills. Those poor girls were **duct taped together*. Any detective worth their salt would have immediately been on the alert for *murder*. These poor girls were ‘honour murdered’, I’m positive.
gravenimage says
Yes–I wondered how easy it would be for suicide victims to duct tape themselves together.
mortimer says
The manner in which the tape was wrapped would tell the detective if a third person applied it.
The detectives must know and they are being told not to speak. They are still defending Islam from criticism even though Obama is gone.
There is no punishment in Sharia law for a parent who honor kills children or grandchildren.
Bodies in the water lose a number of clues due to the soaking.
WCM says
The same manner in which a person commits “Arkancide” by two shots in the back of the head.
Same as other poster(s); first time I heard of double duct tape = “honor” killing.
jule says
Really, its such a shameful thing to commit murder on family members, why call it honor. Whatever it was anyone might have done it cannot compare to the shame of actually killing of your own family!
WCM says
In the same technique by which an “Arkancide” victim is found; two bullets in the back of the head.
My first thought upon hearing of this story was, “Honor” killing.
WCM says
I made this second near-identical comment because I believed the server had not received my first effort. Oh well……
jule says
Why would Saudi be so upset that this family might not return or that the girls would apply for political asylum?
Necrophage says
Disobedient children (especially female children) bring dishonor to the family and to Islam, and must be disposed of.
Brian hoff says
Than nonmuslim person who is Islam is perfectly well suited to murder two saudi girls with the climate of fear created by trump and his Islamoprobic supporter. They where not recall to Saudic Arabic the embassy deny that I believe then. The murder of that reporter is the supidly thing done by the Saudi they crown prince is faceing criticism by his own people in saudic arabic than the police and security force are refusing to crack down. The current turkey President is consider the leader of Sunni islam for the last 18 year the crown prince was never consider the leader of the Sunni muslim. Allah will deal with me the crown prince for his crimes. Supid that reporter wasnot well know now he is very well known just by murdering him. Black op operation have than habit of exploding in your face and it can do so big time like this did. Most good intelligence service avoid black op operations like the plague. The only way out for the crown prince is to public say I order the cold blood murder of that reporter and ask the islamist world forgiving as well ad allah forgiving.
gravenimage says
The vicious “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
Than nonmuslim person who is Islam is perfectly well suited to murder two saudi girls with the climate of fear created by trump and his Islamoprobic supporter.
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What grotesque projection. Why would these girls have run away last year and begged the police not to tell their mother if they were actually instead afraid of “Islamoprobic” Trump supporters?
More:
They where not recall to Saudic Arabic the embassy deny that I believe then. The murder of that reporter is the supidly thing done by the Saudi they crown prince is faceing criticism by his own people in saudic arabic than the police and security force are refusing to crack down.
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Notice that the appalling “Brian hoff” has no problem with the murder of this journalist–he just considers it “stupidly done”. *Ugh*.
More:
The current turkey President is consider the leader of Sunni islam for the last 18 year the crown prince was never consider the leader of the Sunni muslim.
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Erdogan has been fast Islamizing Turkey–and increasingly threatening Infidels.
More:
Allah will deal with me the crown prince for his crimes.
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What crimes would that be? Oppression and murder–or allowing women to drive? Note that “DefenderofIslam” does not say…
More:
Supid that reporter wasnot well know now he is very well known just by murdering him. Black op operation have than habit of exploding in your face and it can do so big time like this did. Most good intelligence service avoid black op operations like the plague.
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Again, all “Brian hoff” does is call murdering your critics “stupid”.
More:
The only way out for the crown prince is to public say I order the cold blood murder of that reporter and ask the islamist world forgiving as well ad allah forgiving.
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Why would he do that? The “Prophet” Muhammed had his critics murdered, as well. Surely “DefenderofIslam” is not criticizing the “Prophet”?
Brian hoff says
Gaveimage I donot aprove of the murder of the reporter. Unlike you I have first hand knowledge of black op operations they are nerve wacking on the headquater staff. Murdering that reporter at the dip builting is fitst class supidly on saudic intelligence service since it the saudi arabia own builting that the saudi government is behind the murder. Do you want to end up like Katie Hopsite who lost than liberal case in the UK for force accueing than woman of damage that statue to British war head who work for rebel media as no respectful media company will hire her.
utis says
The part about duct-taping has been bothered me too. Unless a completely objective forensic study is done (if there hasn’t already been interference with the evidence by “interested” parties (I mean you, De Blasio), this event sounds more like a murder cover-up.
I recall cases where women are lured back to their homes, so the family can judge and execute them. And what is this about S.A. “ordering” the family home? This sounds like old-time KGB practice. These girls need justice! Where are the SJW’s and feminists now?
jule says
Why did they run away from the parents/brothers the year before to some shelter and beg police not to tell? It does make some sense they might make a suicide pact if Saudi ORDERED them back. Who would want to go back after being ordered…for what punishment would they have to go into? Did I understand the pappa already went back for some still unknown job? Curious, aren’t we.
MTMLA says
They said they were being abused by the parents and brothers
gravenimage says
+1
gravenimage says
Honor killing in NYC? Circumstances of Saudi sisters’ deaths contradict NYPD’s “suicide” claim
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I’d wondered about some of these details, as well.
These poor girls. I hope they find the perpetrators.
Spiro says
our government and police officials
are so spineless they can’t even report an honor killing when it washes up on shore
We will lose or religious freedom because we wount defend it against sharia law
Wake up America
Wellington says
The plot thickens. Well, one thing is for certain and that is whether it was suicide, because they could not stand to go back to Saudi Arabia (which is not really a country at all but a family posing as a country), or sheer murder for honor killing reasons, either way it so fittingly reflects upon the worst religion ever created by man—“Islam” by name.
Kevin says
Sure is a confidence-builder when the obvious is so obvious and they still think it’s suicide
Perhaps a Good Samaritan was walking by and offered to duct tape them together and then the girls just jumped off
“on their own” of course
rubiconcrest says
How did S Arabia find out that they had applied for political asylum?
rubiconcrest says
How did Saudi Arabia find out they had applied for political asylum?
somehistory says
There is an article in MSM about the rulers of SA and the fact that they have a long history of going after saudi citizens living abroad and abducting them to take them back…and some of these people are never seen again. All because the citizens have fallen out of favor with the “royal” family.
In this case, they just did the ugly, evil, immoral, illegal deed and threw these girls away like garbage.
Saudi campaign to abduct and silence rivals abroad goes back decades
Kareem Fahim, Loveday Morris The Washington Post
seabird says
I’ve never heard a Detective speculate about a case during an ongoing investigation-until now…
Other details being reported;
The sisters were found facing each other taped at the ankles and waist and they were both dressed in black.
The family denies any abuse charges and has been described as a “loving family”.
The Sowdi Govt. denies ever ordering the family to return home.
If they “jumped” surely there are cameras on the bridge to record it.
We’ll never see that footage (or perhaps the images of them being thrown from the trunk of a car)- will we?
Nobody noticed 2 sisters dressed in black taping themselves together before they hopped (or crawled) over the bridge railings to their deaths?
WPM says
The idiot detective made this statement before the cause of death had been established the autopsy has not even been done when this statement was made according to the NYT article (the NYT was quick to print this like the case was solved }. I am sure something as simple as proof the girls drown or were dead before their bodies were dump into the river could be established. If their they were beaten to death , or strangled or poisoned or drugged very hard to duct tape yourselves face to face at feet and waist and throw yourselves into the river if you are unconscious from drugs. There are many surveillance cameras in Manhattan ,how did they get to that park ,what time were they spotted there ect, how can a detective make a statement to the press before all of the facts are gathered “nothing to see here folks move along normal two sad girls ducted tape together suicide case solved” and the family of the girls are OK with this ?
Debi Brand says
“But how would they have duct-taped themselves together before they committed suicide?”
It just happens naturally, post fist-fights, it is, we could say, just a corollary to such.
“October 23: Mother receives call from Saudi Consulate ordering the family home because the girls have applied for political asylum.
“October 24: The girls bodies are found washed up in the Hudson River.”
Why did the Saudi Consulate order the family to return to Saudi Kingdom? They (SC) answered: “because the girls have applied for political asylum.”
Reports state, Saudi Consulate denied making the above mentioned call that the mother states she received from them.
Why the denial?
(“‘… embassy spokesperson Fatimah Baeshen denied the allegation. “Reports that we ordered anyone related to the Saudi sisters, Tala and Rotana Farea, God rest their souls, (who recently died tragically in NY), to leave the US for seeking asylum; are absolutely false.’”https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-not-involved-mysterious-death-sisters-new-york-embassy-official-1200325; and elsewhere.)
Most probable answer: these young girls wanted freedom not only of SKA restrictions, but also freedom from restrictions of the Nation/ummah of Muhammad.
Therefore, as such, these girls were guilty of treason to the Islamic State. Thus, in that guilt, by Qur’anic and Islamic measures, they have forfeited right to life and property. In brief.
Jack says
These girls applied for political asylum, they knew this could be an issue with Saudi Arabia ,they constantly tried to get away from their family , if they were brave enough to fight to stay in America , why would they kill themselves one day after being ordered back to Saudi Arabia , and how did the girls find out they were order back , last known cuminicatuon with family was 17th , who told them they were ordered back !
jule says
I take it they were not here permanently so they applied for asylum. I guess they knew Saudi would find out. No one said anything about whether or not asylum was denied or what was happening with it. If they had hope asylum might be granted, they would not kill themselves. So was it denied? Were parents contacted? Was Saudi contacted? A problem is media never gives us enough info because I think they want us to guess all kinds of conspiracies and maybes or could be’s and really get entangled into it. And, we do not know what body parts were bound together. The first thing that comes to mind is tape all the way around both but that is not explained. Was it just around the waist, or legs or arms? Its hard but no conclusions can be drawn until they tell us more.
gravenimage says
Good post, Debi.
Debi Brand says
Thanks, g.i.
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Debi Brand says
“But how would they have duct-taped themselves together before they committed suicide?”
It just happens naturally, post fist-fights, it is, we could say, just a corollary to such.
“October 23: Mother receives call from Saudi Consulate ordering the family home because the girls have applied for political asylum.
“October 24: The girls bodies are found washed up in the Hudson River.”
Why did the Saudi Consulate order the family to return to Saudi Kingdom? They answered: “because the girls have applied for political asylum.”
Reports state, Saudi Consulate denied making the call, above mentioned, the mother states she received from them.
Why the denial?
(“‘… embassy spokesperson Fatimah Baeshen denied the allegation. “Reports that we ordered anyone related to the Saudi sisters, Tala and Rotana Farea, God rest their souls, (who recently died tragically in NY), to leave the US for seeking asylum; are absolutely false.’”
[https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-not-involved-mysterious-death-sisters-new-york-embassy-official-1200325; and elsewhere].)
Most probable answer: these young girls wanted freedom not only from SKA restrictions, but also freedom from restrictions of the Nation/ummah of Muhammad.
Therefore, as such, these girls were guilty of treason to the Islamic State. Thus, in that guilt, by Qur’anic and Islamic measures, they have forfeited right to life and property. In brief.
Nona says
Is our beautiful Hudson River now goung ti be used to dispose of women, the same as the rivers in islamic countries? Like the Nile ?
And now I wonder how many bodies of islamic girls have been thrown in the Ganges?
christianblood says
Surely these girls were murdered in an honor-killing and the US authorities are covering it for their Saudi buddies!
Tom says
The pivotal question is, were these girls duct taped in such a manner that caused them to be bound with hands clasped together, or was the duct tape binding them in a way that allowed their hands to remain free.
Were their mouths also covered with duct tape or residue from duct tape.
While one can bind ones own hands using the mouth and then cover the mouth with duct tape, what would be the point if one were committed to suicide.
One other theory not yet espoused is the possibility of a murder/suicide by one girl on the other. Binding the victims hands then also binding the victim to the murderer to prevent any chance of escape.
While honor killing is used in Islam, unless we are sure of the facts it only damages our credibility as opponents of Islam to jump to conclusions.
ninetyninepct says
Saudi Arabia can order Muslims to go back? WHAT? Screw Saudi Arabia.
jule says
I discovered by some accounts that they were taped facing each other at legs and waist but not tightly together. Seemingly just to keep them connected to each other. Yet they did not Jump off any bridge. Saudi says they had NOT applied for asylum. US papers say they did. US papers said they had been in the shelter a year or so previous because some form of ‘abuse’. Father went back and forth to Saudi for work while mother stayed in Fairfax continuously. The girls maxed out a credit card, staying in high class hotels in NYC before death. Saudi Embassy hired a lawyer to keep tabs on things & the separate accounts being reported by all different papers..The bodies were already sent back to Saudi and buried in Medina. Already.