At first I thought that the two Muslims shouting at us would leave, as they have done in the past. I was wrong; it played out differently on Saturday. They were there to stay with their loud, obnoxious voices until they could get us shut down. The crowd started growing due to the commotion. Soon it numbered in the hundreds.
The cause of all of this was that the Counter Jihad Coalition (CJC) was out on a public outreach in the Cerritos Mall in Cerritos, California, educating the public on the truth of Islam. The CJC was formed several years ago to get the truth into the hands of people, since most of the mainstream media paints Islam as the religion of peace.
We have developed over 30 brochures on different aspects of Islam. All are factual and true, not our opinions. They are all based on the doctrines of Islam as set out in the Quran and the Sunnah. On a typical day, we pass out 1,500 or more of these brochures to people, who for the most part are thankful for what we are doing.
We saw an increase in Muslim pushback right after the Islamic State (ISIS) made the news, and then a huge increase in their aggressiveness after President Trump was elected. They will go to great lengths to keep the people from knowing the violence, oppression and brutality that are inherent in what they believe. And now more than ever, they are on the warpath to shut down these truths.
This past Saturday, at this venue where we have been going to for a year, Muslim anger came to a head. I called security when things started to get unruly. Soon officers from mall security, along with several Los Angeles County Sheriff Deputies, arrived to try and restore calm and sort things out.
To show you how upside down our society is, the mall manager said to me that he was going to have to shut us down early. What? Everything had been going along smoothly until the two Muslims started yelling, shouting at us and creating the hostile environment. They knew if they disturbed and disrupted, that they would win. They shouted at me that they would be there every day looking for us, and would do whatever they had to do to shut us down.
It was only a few weeks ago that the Sharia police on Facebook banned our Counter Jihad Coalition Facebook site, and took it down. To this day, I have not received an explanation from them for their action. Facebook is simply Sharia-compliant. Not only us, but many other counter-jihad groups have recently been shut down on Facebook. Our freedoms are slowly being taken away from us by the leftists who are in control of the means of communication.
In a similar vein, do you think the Sheriff Deputies escorted the obnoxious, hateful, foul-mouthed Muslims out of the mall? Not a chance! When I asked one of the Deputies if they were going to escort out the unruly Muslims, their response to me was they were waiting to hear from the mall management and what they wanted to do. So much for our law enforcement officials protecting law-abiding citizens. Every time we want to have a public outreach at this mall, we turn in an application and wait until it is approved.
After the Deputies failed to escort out the Muslims who were causing the disruption, the mall manager came over to me and said, “We are going to have to shut you down early today.” When I suggested they usher out the unruly Muslims instead, I was told that they have a right to be there and said they would not leave until we left. Did we not have a right to be there? Our dhimmi law enforcement, mall security and mall management seem to be willing to cater to Muslims anytime they are called upon to do so.
We will see what happens next week, when I turn in a new application to exercise my right of free speech. Americans better wake up fast and start pushing back on this encroachment of Sharia before our freedoms and rights are gone. Then it will be too late.
Andy says
Just like the Brown shirts of Nazi Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvDbN6RMYrM
Andy says
“There Will Be Civil War ..” If Trump Taken Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7bbT2tVjHQ
Andy says
“DEPLORABLES UNITE”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWAgIVNzHKs
Andy says
Regressive leftist -NAZIS- halt Politicon free speech panel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUpmcr_Q8U8
Andy says
MICROAGRESSIONS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQkhqk_A3N4
Andy says
Trump Wins What Trump Just Did To Stop Mueller Made Nancy Pelosi Cry Like A Baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P13t1yqTLFc
Andy says
The white family that stayed too long in Flint –And how it cost them their lives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4cbptnN5Jo
Sandsande e says
They are increasing censorship on YouTube also. End times prophecy news is about to be removed and says several others have already.
We knew it was coming.
Andy says
Why this all ends in CIVIL WAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwK_UkUfUWs
Andy says
Century-old capsule found in Confederate statue opened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0DKp18PbiQ
Andy says
California bakers refuse to make pro-Trump birthday cake for a little boy
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somehistory says
The devil is in control. His children, his minions, are everywhere and gaining in numbers as they see the boldness of their evil co-conspiritors.
A long time ago, when studying the Bible, it was clear that this day would come, when evil has the power to steal, kill and destroy. And I wondered often how it would work in a country where “freedom of speech and freedom of religion” were to be protected. Especially the freedom to speak.
Now, I see how it is working. moslums are being allowed, empowered by satan, to take away those freedoms from the rest of us. They only have any “rights.”
Thankfully, the outcome is there in God’s Word, and evil will not win the war.
Lu says
I agree with you in many ways, my view is totally irreligious, though. We are facing a strong retrograde force (W. Churchill) and we have to fight – that’s it. Evil may very well win the war should we rely on god’s word only …
A broader question is whether the Free World should flock behind Christianity and under the name of its God repeal this force. Your answer would be one of resounding “yes, what else!” and you would have a hardly refutable point.
We irreligious freedom-loving anti communists (in the USA we would use the moniker “conservatives”) may be another constituency finding the ongoing submission totally unacceptable and realizing how much is in stake …
somehistory says
I appreciate your feelings, but please do not presume to say what my “answer” would be. You do not know me well enough to say.
Thank you.
David Pimentel says
+somehistory
“A broader question is whether the Free World should flock behind Christianity and under the name of its God repeal this force.”
So … rather than whining about Lu’s assumption, please enlighten the rest of us. What is your answer to the question?
somehistory says
d pi
Since you so obviously don’t comprehend the meaning of so simple a word as “whine,” it would be impossible for you to understand even if I put it in very simple language.
And since writing it would take up too much space here, I’m declining your so pleasant request to “enlighten” you. However, here’s a hint: The Bible has the answer.
Carolyne says
I don’t have a clue what Lu’s feelings would be, but I can tell you it is foolish to rely on superstition and a mystical being in the sky to protect you from Islam. That we must do ourselves and if waiting for a giant hand to descend and wipe out Muslims from earth, we will be waiting a long, long time.
Richard Hawkins says
Carolyne
Unfortunately, your concept of Christianity and the Bible is extremely distorted. God does give us directions of what to do in all circumstances through His word….the Bible. Our Founding Fathers’ relied on the truths of the Bible to win our independence from tyranny and setup a sound constitutional republic. The majority of them were Christian and those few that weren’t subscribed to a predominate Christian worldview.
Richard Hawkins says
You are not totally irreligious nor is your view totally irreligious. You do have a belief system called a worldview that establishes your value and moral truths and interpretations of how you see the world. This is a religion. Since there can only be one true worldview the big question is which one is true and how are all the others false. Does truth transcend man or does man create truth as he sees fit?
What is the basis for your loving freedom and hating Communism? Why is that right and totalitarian system wrong?
somehistory says
c,
,
You are not doing yourself any good by mocking what others believe. And…you are assuming you know what I believe is going to happen.
There is no point in trying to show you that all of your disbelief is founded on disappointment and delusion and that your future is limited in that you think man/woman has all of the “answers” to the problems, including islum.
But keep in mind that either we who believe in God are right and He has the Power to rescue us and has promised to do so, and this will happen when He decides….
or you are and the moslums will just keep taking over and raping and killing to their evil heart’s content, and the earth…the only planet with the proper atmosphere…will become uninhabitable.
My belief has a future. Can you say the same for yours?
gravenimage says
California: Muslims Attack Counter Jihad Coalition, Law Enforcement Caves to Muslims
…………………
Appalling official enabling of the barbarians at the expense of freedom of speech. This is rewards threats.
Jen says
“Appalling official enabling of the barbarians at the expense of freedom of speech. This is rewards threats.”
Yes it is gravenimage but the police are always afraid of “poking the muslim bear”. They are given orders, by their superiors, to keep a lid on it and risk losing careers if they don’t. Of course, the trouble is that muslims know how to take full advantage of the situation. That’s why this will end in civil war or passive submission to islamic takeover or the Rapture.
I don’t think Americans will take the encroachment as passively as Europeans mainly because Trump (like him or not) gives it notice and therefore keeps the public aware, but also because the American psyche is more combative than that of Europeans and we have the advantage of seeing what indifference has done to Europe.
Bible Prophecy is not fully aligned yet with the current situation for the Rapture. Unfortunately, civil war seems the likely outcome at some point and I hope the police and armed forces are on the right side when and if it does erupt. We live in scary times. So surreal.
Carolyne says
When you refer to “The Rapture” do you mean that a mysterious force will somehow disappear Christians to some unknown and undiscovered land? If so, isn’t that rather fanciful?
There have been many eclipses of both the sun and the moon in recorded history and one assumes since the earth and moon and sun were formed in the “Big Bang.” Primitive man did not know what caused it so he invented an explanation. We now know that the moon passes between the earth and the sun causing a temporary block of sunlight reaching earth., No mystery and no portent there.
And since you admit that this is not the first total eclipse seen in the US since 1979, could explain what event that one foretold?
You are, however, free to fantasize about the nature of the universe.
Richard Hawkins says
Interesting….the Big Bang is an invented narrative because modern man didn’t know how or when the universe was created. Another modern day fantasy of nature is neo-Darwinian evolution, a story that pacifies the sheeple who choose to believe lies and stop searching for truth.
gravenimage says
Richard, your idea that all devout Christians reject science is mistaken.
Richard Hawkins says
gravenimage,
First, I didn’t say nor ever would say “all devout Christians reject science.”
I only addressed the science fiction of the Big Bang and Neo Darwinian evolution. Both are imagined narratives with marginal and very incomplete scientific support but major unfounded assumptions as well as violating science laws.
Now, if you can explain exactly how the singularity came about (everything from nothing) and how matter and energy alone created a whole complex and complete information system then be my guest. I’ll stick with reality and not atheist based fairy tales.
JW_Reader says
I think, that Cerritos area is infested with Pakistani and middle eastern Muslims. So, they can come and flex their muscles without any fear of repercussions. It is not exactly the same every where in California. Particularly, in central California, like in Fresno/Modesto, Muslims will have hard time finding sympathizers.
Alien Republican says
You know, at first I wanted to understand the reasons of islamic violence, which worried me. Today I’m much more concerned about the level of islamic infiltration in Western societies. It’s disheartening to see even the most powerful Präsident of the world struggling with “the swamp”.
John Forbes says
The ideology of ISLAM is the NEW FASCISM & possibly more dangerous than the fascists of FRANCO ,Mussolini or Hitler because they have infiltrated all levels of Western Society particularly in the OBAMA/CLINTON administration !
Both OBAMA & CLINTON are supporters of ISLAM & despite the endless attacks on Christians & others world wide still they parrot ! ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE FOLLOWED BY VIOLENCE IS A PERVERSION OF ISLAM & BOTH STATEMENTS ARE LIES !
All anyone has to do is read the Koran, life of Mohammed & Hadiths & sunna or look in you tube & listen to Finsbury Mosque – under cover or listen to the Hate preaching on the streets !
Western leaders are TERRIFIED of the followers of this IDEOLOGY & the FOLLOWERS KNOW !
WE all need to get rid of the COWARDS at the HELMS & get people in who will demand that this IDEOLOGY that masquerades as a RELIGION ( not of peace ) be held to account & that the HATE TEACHING stops !!
Terry Gain says
Islam will never be held to account. The only way to deal with Islam is to exclude its adherents on the basis that iIslam is incompatible, and indeed, seditious.
eagle nest says
The truth is spoken by UTT:Mr. McMaster Is part of the problem, he keeps people inside the White House who he believes have a more “measured” perspective yet are also ignorant of the Islamic threat – many of whom support former President Obama – and he purges the all of the people who do, in fact, understand Islamic doctrine and how the enemy intends to win this war – like Richard Higgins – that is Civilization Jihad by OUR hands, whether Mr. McMaster knows it or not.
Anyone who is unaware that Islamic sharia supports what ISIS and Al Qaeda are doing and that the Muslim Brotherhood’s by-laws and strategic plans call for the overthrow of the U.S. government does not understand this war. That makes such a person ignorant or complicit. Either way that person need not work in the national security realm.
Anyone who gives a platform to “moderate muslims” or anyone else who speaks untruthfully about Islam serves the objectives of our enemy and, therefore, stands in the enemy’s camp.
Chris LA says
. Their push-back was inevitable. Here are some passages from a book titled, “Honor Killing — A Professional’s Guide to Sexual Relations and Ghayra Violence from Islamic Sources” by Daniel AKbari (a member of the Iranian Bar Association) and Paul Tetreault, Esq.: “The command to enjoin good and forbid evil — that is, to enforce Sharia Law – is carried out both collectively by the Islamic state and individually by the actions of individual Muslims. Both the state and individual work inside the umma — the Muslim community — and outside the umma. . . . There is a Sharia principle that kuffar has no right to know anything about Islam except the Dhimmi laws Sharia demands them to obey. . . . Unfortunately, Muslims do not have any duty to tell the truth about Islam. . . Islam’s only moral rule seems to be that whatever is good for Islam is moral. . . It is sinful not only for Muslims to allow Islam to be insulted, but also to allow circumstances to exist that give non-Muslims a disparaging opinion of Islam. . . . We can actually gain some insight into ghayra violence (Islamic honor violence) by looking at jihad because ghayra violence and jihad are two sides of the same coin – – the difference being ghayra violence is internal to the umma and directed at believers while jihad is external and directed at non-believers.” Sharia Law (Reliance of the Traveller, paragraph q5) provides for a graduated approach to enforcing good and forbidding evil: 1) identifying the wrongful act; 2) explaining that it is wrong; 3) forbidding the act verbally; 4) censuring with harsh words; 5) righting the wrong by hand; 6) intimidation; 7) assault (any measure short of using weapons); and 8) force of arms (calling on the armed assistance of others).
It looks like this incident reached Stage 8.
Clearly Sharia Law and Freedom of Speech are as incompatible as oil and water when it comes to telling the truth about Islam. Americans need to wake up.
mortimer says
The Counter Jihad Coalition is doing a vital job of trying to educate those who are being disinformed by the RED-GREEN AXIS of EVIL.
Islam’s MEANING, MOTIVE and METHODS are SUPREMACISM, HATRED and JIHAD-TERRORISM in that order.
Without a clear understanding of Islam’s ONE-TWO-THREE punch, Western suckers fall for it every time.
Western elites want the ordinary Westerner to be a sucker for Islamic DISINFORMATION.
mortimer says
The HATRED component of Islam is directed against WOMEN and KAFIRS. Most Westerners are unaware of Islam’s HATRED DOCTRINE known by the name AL WALAA WAL BARAA.
If you don’t understand AL WALAA WAL BARAA, you don’t understand Islam.
Michael Copeland says
“…between us and you enmity and hatred forever….”
Koran 60:4, part of Islamic law.
Terry Gain says
Islam’s two most powerful weapons are deceit and political correctness.
Dwayne Austin says
Assuming you are talking about Los Cerritos Center, it is owned by The Macerich Company, which makes it private property. The 1st Amendment doesn’t apply.
When it comes to people witnessing about Christ, and sharing gospel tracts, the courts in the states of California, Washington, Colorado, Oregon and Massachusetts, have recognized that even though they may be private property, shopping malls are “public forums” where people gather and share their ideas and views.
It would be considered perfectly acceptable for a shopper to tell another person about his favorite vacation destination, and even pull a brochure describing it from pocket or purse, and give the brochure to that person.
Christian shoppers deserve the same rights already being exercised by “non-religious” shoppers.
The key word here is “shopper.” In many states, malls are private property, where the owner can control what happens at his site. But Christian shoppers cannot be prevented from what courts call “incidental” interactions with other shoppers.
It doesn’t matter whether the subject discussed is a vacation resort, a football game, a hobby or Islam. People can discuss what they want, and even share a piece of literature. But if you’re not a shopper, you can be asked to leave.
How to witness in malls with four simple points:
Shop
Talk to others
Hand them literature
Keep shopping
RonaldB says
May I suggest that, if possible, you also have the names of attorneys willing to back you up. I can envision a Muslim harassing an individual passing out anti-Jihad leaflets, so it would pay to know how to file charges of personal harassment.
Lucia Bartoli says
Until ordinary citizens pick up the gauntlet and face the challenger by use of their First Amendment, there will be NO solution. It was farmers with sticks, clubs, and a few muskets that won the Revolutionary War against the heavily-armed and huge numbers of Redcoats. We will have stand our ground where we are and WITH NUMBERS nothing can stop us. For example, it you had 100 likeminded persons in the mall that day, and ALL said “NO–enough is enough!”, do you believe the mall management would have shut you down? It must affect the mall in the pocketbook. This is where the local people SHOP and SPEND THEIR $$. But at some point the people MUST take a stand. If they are going to act like sheep, baaaa like sheep, and remain silent like sheep–then they will be shorn and slaughtered like sheep. That is quite
Michael Copeland says
Message to the shepherds:
“Wake the flock up”.
Lucia Bartoli says
Yes, HOWEVER, if the mall gave their explicit permission to set up, and that is the stand the mall should have SUSTAINED to only TWO rabble-rousers. I will contact the ICSC International Council of Shopping Centers and bring up this issue. It is also my right to call Cerritos and tell the a-hole management that a number of people will not only NOT shop there, BUT WILL ALSO contact the tenants of that mall and TELL THEM that they will not shop there. You might even get a list of headquarters of those tenants and call THEM and tell them you DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE shopping in the Cerritos Center and so, although you have always enjoyed shopping there at THEIR STORE, you can no longer do so in view of the issues surrounding free speech, the appeasing of those who are successfully oppressing those who EXERCISE that right and that YOU ARE ENCOURAGING others to take a similar stance. You can get a list of stores in the mall by taking a pic of the directory or asking the management office for a store list. BUT some of you, besides wagging your tongues and writing how angry you are, MUST DO SOMETHING. It is TIME!!!
Bill says
Publish the phone #, I’m sure plenty of people will call
gravenimage says
Here’s contact information:
239 Los Cerritos Center
Cerritos, CA 90703
(562) 402-7467
RonaldB says
Further evidence on the absolute and fatal folly of giving government more power to “protect” free speech. I’m thinking of the idea of using the government to compel Facebook or YouTube to carry anti-Jihad or truth about Islam material.
I’m surprised Muslim organizations didn’t put organized pressure on the mall management threatening boycotts. Perhaps they did. If the mall was private property, the deputies were correct in deferring to the management.
Let me extend my compliments to the Counter Jihad coalition, but as always, my emotions have got to defer to my reasoning.
Carolyne says
Is it possible that the officers were part of a privately paid security group that the mall managers employ? As such, they were right to do what they did, even though many of us think they should not have done it. I think that protesting to the mall management and threatening to not shop there is a good idea.
Westman says
There can be no preservation of our rights unless the jihad resistance movements join together. Stealth jihad-sharia is monolithic, eminating out of every Mosque on the planet. Government is afraid to stop the dislocation of its own citizens because its own income depends on global profit interests that intend to drive profits up, even at the expense of destroying whole nations.
The only solution that works is bigness – so big that politicians can be driven from office in elections; so big that congress passes term limits out of fear; so big that bad-neighbor international corporations can be boycotted out of existence; so big that police forces will not carry out elite mandates against the citizens; so big that liberals take a look at themselves in the black mirror; so big that Berkeley thugs will be afraid to damage property; so big that the EU and US governments won’t be water carriers for jihad and will stop curtailing speech.
Divided into small groups, sharia wins. As a huge single-minded force the Constitution can be saved and nations retained – whatever it takes to preserve them. The left is all noise and no sacrifice.
dumbledoresarmy says
my thought is that, in the USA, you have Brigitte Gabriel’s ACT for America.
*Every* US jihadwatcher here posting or lurking *must* join, and encourage others whom they ‘wake up, within their various social circles, to join also. Local chapters connected to regional connected to national. The aim *must* be to have *more* active ACT for America members, than Muslims in America; *more* local ACT for America chapters, than there are mosques in America.
Find out roughly how many Muslims you’ve got and how many mosques at the moment; then… get cracking on the ACT for America recruitment.
Memo to self: ALL counterjihad type persons have to get moving, fast, to work in the same sort of way. Find a halfway decent counterjihad body – e.g., in the UK, Pegida UK plus Gavin Boby, Law and Freedom Foundation – and join, and the aim should be to get the membership up and active, as fast as possible.
Jim Austin says
Liberals are very much in control of law enforcement in California, and thus law enforcement officials see their main duty to protect the tender feelings of politically favored groups. We can now observe the liberal policy to bow down, suck up, wimp out, bend over, cave in, knuckle under to Moslem disruptors.
gravenimage says
This has happened in other places, too–in Dearborn, and in other countries in Germany, in Britain, and elsewhere.
Of course it is easier for police to target the peaceful victims–but this does nothing to protect our rights, and just encourages Muslim savagery.
Michael Copeland says
The Dearborn police were successfully sued by Acts17 Apologetics for violating their Constitutional rights at the Dearborn Arab Festival.
The Arab Festival was subsequently unable to obtain insurance, and was discontinued.
Dwayne Austin says
Christian evangelists were kicked out of an Arab-American “street” festival in Dearborn. That “street” festival was held on public property, where constitutional rights apply. This mall is private property.
For the constitutional illiterate, when police tell you, “ah shut up dummy”, maybe there really is a good reason for it. Public schools don’t teach the constitution in schools anymore.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that update, Michael–I knew that Acts17 Apologetics was suing, but hadn’t heard how the suit had gone. Good news–thanks.
Westman says
What’s strange about California liberals is they have become the very prigs they rebelled sgainst in the 1960’s yet get in bed with an ideology that has made no secret of its intention to enslave them. Apparently, they think that any entity that shares their hatreds must be a friend.
Scott says
Voting with your feet and wallet is likely the only answer.
Lucia Bartoli says
Until ordinary citizens pick up the gauntlet and face the challenger by use of their First Amendment, there will be NO solution. It was farmers with sticks, clubs, and a few muskets that won the Revolutionary War against the heavily-armed and huge numbers of Redcoats. We will have stand our ground where we are and WITH NUMBERS nothing can stop us. For example, it you had 100 likeminded persons in the mall that day, and ALL said “NO–enough is enough!”, do you believe the mall management would have shut you down? It must affect the mall in the pocketbook. This is where the local people SHOP and SPEND THEIR $$. But at some point the people MUST take a stand. If they are going to act like sheep, baaaa like sheep, and remain silent like sheep–then they will be shorn and slaughtered like sheep.
gary fouse says
Pure dhimmitud. This smacks of Europe where the authorities are shaking in their bootsw at the feet of Muslims.
gary fouse says
Pure dhimmitud. This smacks of Europe, where the authorities are shaking in their boots at the feet of Muslims. Muslims need to learn that in America, we have free speech.
Lucia Bartoli says
Here’s a list to start you off…. https://www.mallscenters.com/malls/california/los-cerritos-center. You should also contact the Cerritos Center Management. I spoke with the guy on Security Detail today and he said he heard it was an issue of “safety.” Well, I told this poor guy that when you are worried about SAFETY, you call the cops and bar the TROUBLEMAKERS from returning. SIMPLE! 562/402`7467. The most important part is to indicate that you will no longer shop at that mall and that you will contact the headquarters offices of your own favorite stores and tell them that you are encouraging your neighbors to do likewise. If you can’t do even one thing to protect YOUR OWN freedom of speech, then start going “b-a-a-a-a-a-a” and submit to those who would just rather see you dead. READ WHAT IS THE TRUTH OF THAT CULT! Actually DO something.
jewdog says
It sounds like your first amendment rights are being violated. You should appeal directly to the ACLU for legal advice.
Dwayne Austin says
NO 1st Amendment on private property. He could probably sue the two Muslims for interfering with an approved activity on that private property.
jewdog says
Right, of course. They should take their activity outside the mall.
tedh754@gmail.com says
Islam! Turning every western country into a craphole one muslim at a time! If any of you disagree, name one Islamic Craphole you would like to live in!
Rolf Wittwer says
Such unpleasant, deceitful, extremly dangerous and hateful islamic fanatics usually are members of Salafists or others, which they think are on the way to install their satanic World-Caliphate in “the name of their Allah”. THEY ABUSE AMERICAN LAW FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE AND TEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED AND BE BANNED FROM ANY EVENT FOR GOOD.
Why Americans don’t see or don’t WANT see that fact? All Leftists & “Teddybear-Goodies”?
What does count more:
The islamic invasion with its “Mein Kampf”-Sharia, or freedom of speech, just to keep America clean of this stoneage orientated plague, which until today never ever contributed something real positive to our human development on Earth – but only dictatorship and daily bloodshed in many of the 57 islamic countries?
Or is America giving really way to such people, trying to push forcefully down freedom of speech and hateful behaviour towards us the “Kuffars”?
Does America already capitulate, or is it in a shock stiffness?
The Management and those Policeofficers seems to be naive and do not have any idea about what is ongoing in the world. Someone open please their eyes and minds – NOW – BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!!!
(..sorry it’s not perfect english)
Rob says
I’m very much supportive of the efforts of JihadWatch and CJC; Islam represents a major threat to our way of life. However, I don’t know much about the venue where this action mentioned above is taking place. There may not be much that can be legally done about “free speech” on private property or a public accommodation (e.g. store, restaurant, etc. ) on private property; that is subject to terms and conditions offered by and/or agreed to by the owner/manager of the private property, though popular pressure might well be effective (i.e. boycott, petition, etc.). As reminder of grade school civics lessons, Constitutional rights to free speech generally deal with government interference with protected speech, not speech on private property. In such a case, property rights trump “free speech”. 🙁
Dum Spiro says
Could you peacefully protest on public properly near their mosque? According to the same reasoning, you have a right to be there. It might even make the local news and get you even more publicity.
Your legal team could assist you if there appears to be a double standard with the protests…
— Spero
Phil says
You’re in California, my friend, not America. Good luck. But even if you are approved, we know what will happen again – the same thing.
PRCS says
So far, I haven’t seen any questions being asked about:
1. What written rights/responsibilities are afforded to/expected of both the applicant and the mall’s management?
2/ What are the mall management’s written procedures in such a situation?
pdxnag says
Their reputation for big bombings precede them. They will escalate until they get their way. It proves the value of other bombings, and mass slaughter.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
My advice to is do not return to this mall. Tell the mall you and everyone you know will boycott the mall and all of their vendors, and that you will include this message in your brochures unless they guarantee that you can operate without being harassed. In the meantime, look for anther venue that will guarantee your safety.
brane pilot says
They need to find out what R Spencer’s spine is made of.
It is some sort of indestructible material.
mortimer says
We must continue to push for the right of freedom of expression to get the message out concerning Islamic supremacism.
herbert davis says
FFRF.org will probably have to be involved eventually. Maybe the ACLU will stand up for their free speech rights to diss a religion if they so choose.
Janice Disher says
I did a search for Counter Jihad Coalition in facebook and found the page. It is still available in Canada.
Tom says
Boycott the mall in question and let them know that their actions are not acceptable in a free society.
It is all about money for the mall owner who is afraid to start turning away possible muslim customers who may create enough of an ongoing disruption that people will stop going to their mall.
A general boycott of regular folks will soon let the mall owner know that their bottom line can be affected and tenants in the mall will bring pressure to bear on the owner.
UNCLE VLADDI says
People say the American Constitution’s First Amendment only protects individual citizens (and corporations) from the government, but that private companies can enforce whatever rules they want to within their own domains.
But … hey, guess what! NOT when their rules amount to CRIMES (say, of slander)!
See, whenever FASCBOOK (And Twatter and ScrewYouRube) humiliates people in public by censoring them and posting (slanderous, libelous) warnings, they are actually breaking the LAW.
Slander (and it’s written form, libel) are sub-categories of criminal FRAUD.
Further, if (as can be easily demonstrated in these cases) they committed their fraudulent, defamatory slanders and libels as part of an orchestrated conspiracy to suppress and destroy evidence of the crimes of the holy-mobster “muslim” gang members of the world’s oldest and largest ongoing extortion racket and crime-syndicate (“ISLAM”) then they are also guilty of endorsing those same crimes (many of which amount to mass-murders, if not to actual genocide) and since islam itself is openly hostile to any and all sovereign nations (which it regards as temporary and man-made false idols, all of which are to be eventually destroyed and replaced with their own one-world muslim Ummah Nation, to be ruled over by their global theocratic caliphate government) it is also a clear case of sedition and treason, of aiding and abetting an existential threat to the United States and Western world in general.
Zuckerturd and his globalist minions should be arrested indicted tried convicted jailed and possibly executed for their treason to rationality and civilization and their ongoing crimes against humanity.
So the cops in this case pretended to defer to the mall management, as if the muslims’ CRIMES of menacing, disruption, harassment, intimidation, extortion and public mischief weren’t crimes unless and until the mall managers told them they were?!
Those cops need to be fired for delinquency and non-performance, not to mention endangering public safety and enabling the muslim criminals by acting as co-extortionists on their behalf, and ditto the complicit mall managers.
Dwayne Austin says
Hey, Perry Mason, “slanderous, libelous” acts fall under tort law, not constitutional law. Did you sleep through that part of law school? The person complaining has to show actual damage from the conduct to make a claim.Good luck with that when a private property owner rolls up the welcome mat and asks you to leave their property.
duh swami says
When ‘private property’ is a business open to the public, it lose that designation during business hours…As an example bars, privetly owned cannot ’86’ a trouble maker…That is they cannot permanently ban anyone…They can throw them out om a given day, , but they cannot keep them out without a court order…This is because the bar is open to the public and the trouble maker is part of the public……If the trouble maker is behaving himself the following day, he has a right to be there…
Dwayne Austin says
You’re still dancing around the fact that a private property owner has the right to regulate activities on their property. People that habitually cause problems at a bar can be banned from coming back; they can be banned immediately in the name of public safety if they cause bodily harm to another person. If that property is a store, the only authorized activity would be to buy products. If caught shoplifting, a person can be banned from ever entering again. Go try it at WalMart and see what happens.
Maybe you should ask your Public Pretender how many cases they’ve actually won in court and then get yourself a new one.
Smarty says
What is the old saying….the ones you cannot criticize are the ones who rule you? The police and mall managers are gutless cowards.
Shelley Henderson says
Mr. Amundsen,
Kindly email me so that I can arrange to cover your next visit to Cerritos Mall.
Arnold says
this is how it works.
> A truthful man or woman exposes the real Islam
> Muslims protest claiming one of the following excuses: Islamphobia; You are hater; You are taking words out context; You dont speak arabic; Islam is a peaceful religion. They start yelling and raising a rukus
> The muslims then call and bring on the civil authorities
> The authorities listen to them since Muslims are “a minority” view
> The “minority view” has to the right viewpoint in the eyes of the government especially because they are engrained to see all Islamic expression as part of a universal right of religion and “all religions are the same”
Truth dies in the public square
Richard Hawkins says
Truth died when the citizens abdicated and allowed the government to control K-12 schools, changing from true education to dumbed down indoctrination.
Schrödinger says
Islam is not a debating society; it’s a doctrine of war. Licensed to utilise every stratagem of war, it’s primary stratagems are taqiyya or terror or some combination thereof. Under the delusion and pretense of religion, and to the tune of allah u akbar, it’s adherents seek to silence all opposition in service of an ideology of ongoing conquest, subjugation and territorial expansion.
Congratulations to the CJC. This activist movement must go national and international. The truth on islam will out but this will require much ongoing effort and courage. Muslims will work — they’ll wage jihad and co-opt countless others to make the cost to all those involved high. As for Mark Zuckerberg of Fakebook fame, this megalomaniacal little dweeb is unbearable — and he aspires to become US President.
Don Foss says
I’m kind of old. I guess I can do more though. But we need young Americans to unite and fight, stand up and be loud. Otherwise we will be history.
Ryan B. Lion says
The mall is private property. Law enforcement cannot remove someone from private property if the property owner (or their proxies) hasn’t explicitly declared said party unwanted. Blame lawsuits.